Saw some forum threads about this ... which in the past have proven wrong ... but several pages that I added to my site in the last couple of months (after the last page rank update) are now showing green in the toolbar ... so I think it is legit this time.

Let the gnashing of teeth begin! ;-)

★☆★☆ ★☆★☆ ★☆★☆ FINALLY ★☆★☆ ★☆★☆ ★☆★☆

This is the first PR update since April 2007 – we are talking about 6 months – usually there is an update every 3 months

Not only are new sites being given PR – but the blog sites that were penalized this week for link selling have reclaimed their original PR

http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/10/27/the-google-page-rank-pendulum-swings-again/

Good catch Alek... can now see Google Blogoscoped got a new PR too...

> Not only are new sites being given PR – but the blog
> sites that were penalized this week for link selling
> have reclaimed their original PR

Are you sure? I can still see e.g. PR4 on SERoundtable.com...

Aaron Swartz's homepage went from PR9 to PR8, he sells links:
http://www.aaronsw.com

Just some days ago I was still seeing it as PR9, if I recall correctly.

MutatingPictures.com was registered on September 29 2007 (that's less than a month ago) and it's now at PR7...

Wow! It is a good site though!

Congrats on the PR7 for mutatingpictures ... and yea, that is a good site – content is king is rewarded!

Although yes, surprising it would move that fast and somewhat debunks the thought that PR can only move "so much" per update.

Maybe because the site received a lot of high quality link from relevant sites in a short time.

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/advsearch?p=http%3A%2F%2FMutatingPictures.com&bwm=i&bwmo=d&bwmf=s

Weird. YouTube's PR is 3.

And Google.com has 9/10.

Hah. While I can't see a Google PR9, I also get the YouTube PR3. That is ridiculous. Perhaps they've been selling links. ;)

What Firefox extension is that you are using to show the pagerank in the menu Phillip?

Maybe it's just a glitch.

Ok, it's fixed now.
Google.com and Youtube.com has pagerank 10

I still see PageRank 3 ...

Fluctuation often happens during the PageRank updates ...

> What Firefox extension is that you are using to
> show the pagerank in the menu Phillip?

The official Google Toolbar. Version 3.0.

Introducing all brand new Google PR Shuffle, The Best Random Number Generator a SEO can get...

http://www.zorgloob.com/picleft/PRshuffle.png

It's good to know that Google doesn't meddle with the Pagerank of their own websites.

Since yesterday Google punishes many prominent sides. Why?

[URL removed.]

eh, a typical seo site...

Sometimes YouTube.com is getting a Fair PR of 0/10
Sorry it was this morning on these DC

www.Youtube.com PageRank 3/10 as of October 27th 2007 at 10 pm.

DC: 64.233.161.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.161.91
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.163.189
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.167.104
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.167.107
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.167.184
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.171.18
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.171.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.171.81
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.179.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.179.107
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.179.115
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.183.80
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 64.233.183.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.185.100
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.185.115
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.187.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 64.233.189.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.1.115
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.7.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 66.102.9.80
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 66.102.9.101
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.9.107
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.11.83
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.83.81
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.83.104
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.89.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.89.104
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.91.184
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.249.93.133
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.203.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.207.115
Toolbar PageRank: PR8 (8/10)
DC: 72.14.209.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.209.44
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.209.99
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.209.115
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.211.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.211.184
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.215.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.217.44
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.217.81
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.217.107
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.219.81
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.219.99
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.219.100
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.221.18
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.235.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 72.14.235.102
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 209.85.129.80
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 209.85.135.104
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 209.85.135.107
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 209.85.143.18
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 209.85.143.19
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.37.83
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 216.239.37.84
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 216.239.37.99
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 216.239.51.83
Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.53.133
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 216.239.57.44
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
DC: 216.239.59.80
Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)

Well, we know then that *some* of this update is not from selling links!
(i.e. if Youtube is affected, it's sure not because they sold links).

Has anyone got any idea if the change is/was "real", i.e. the difference between a PR 3 and a PR of 10 should be very obvious in SERPS which include the site?

Maybe this is just an update that should've happen over years, but happened all of a sudden, creating such situations. Maybe, the some of the links that originally pointed to YouTube were outdated, and when Google decided to check them, they changed or disappeared, and Google decided to change all the PageRanks on just some particular day, making it a surprise. Maybe...

There's no way www.youtube.com has a "real" PageRank of 3.

Note this is also in conflict with the supposed human review if it's a link-selling penalty (or I wouldn't want to be the QA person who missed it!)

> (i.e. if Youtube is affected, it's sure not
> because they sold links).

Though I was actually looking for paid links on their homepage before, just to check (e.g. paid links in the broader sense of linking to sponsors without nofollow). I wonder how Google were to react though, would they find paid links on one of their properties! After all, there's a bit of a manual decision in the mix here, and Google would be conflicted in their interest when banning their own properties.

> There's no way www.youtube.com has a "real"
> PageRank of 3.

Maybe (provided this isn't just a total temporary PR glitch) some spam penalty was triggered. E.g. redundant content... they once had a thousands of same-looking page titles, for instance (though that seems to have been changed now). Not that I consider that really likely...

YouTube still gets site-links though it has PR 3.

It seems that this glitch is getting back in order.. Goog's is reverting all the PR to the old values. But this leads to the question on how Goog's views sites/PR , and why did google declare ' jihad' on the blogosphere ?

> Goog's is reverting all the PR to the old values.

Can't reproduce that here yet...

Google.Search.PR("YouTube.com")=8

After the PR deduction of YouTube. Google again increased its PR from 3 to 8. Right now YouTube has a PR 8

StatCounter is PR 10 again

Interesting, I can reproduce that here.

... and all their text link ads are nofollowed!