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Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

Tuesday, October 25, 2005
11 years ago

I saw this page too and tried logging in. The service name – i.e. the one that appears in the login URL * – is "gbase".

Trying to login sent you to a "Welcome" page with the usual "Google Accounts" login iframe embedded in it:

base.google.com/base/welcome

They also seem to be using a "gsessionid" (which I've mentioned before, alongside the "sandbox.google.com" subdomain):

base.google.com/base/default?g ...]

* i.e. where the login URL is usually something like this: www.google.com/accounts/Servic ...]&continue=[service-url]

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Got some more screenshots, Tony?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

No, I was too dumb to take any I'm afraid.

However, Wouter Schut has some over on his blog:

seweso.com/blog/2005/10/google ...

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I was able to take a few (2) screen-shots but the login system was broken.

And what is this: googlebase.com/ and googlebase.fr/ ?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Wouter found googlebase.com as well (it currently redirects to the Google main page).

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

It does not redirect to the main page because it has a link to the main page!... strange...

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Ooh, I also have some very tiny screenshots from google desktop and cached versions. Do we need/want those? It is handy if you do not want to type in something from a screenshot :P

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

It seems that www.googlebase.com is just a CNAME for www.google.com (like many of Google's extra domains) and was registered back on the 8th June 2005!

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I added higher quality screenshots and a html page of the base-edit-page:

seweso.com/blog/2005/10/google ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Dirson* writes:

"This new tool will be introduced during the 'Google Zeitgeist'05 Partner Forum'** to be held today at Google HQ in California."

* google-blog.dirson.com/post.ne ...
** services.google.com/zeitgeist0 ...

On a side-note, I did set up a tracker to scan base.google.com all through the night, but all it came up with was this:
blogoscoped.com/tracker/previo ...

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Philipp, that's the page I saw when I tried to login...

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Maybe I got in because I was already logged into my google-account...

Funny thing is that I checked base.google.com not so long ago by hand. :D

Andreas [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

This sounds really big. And I'm not talking about something like GoogleSQL although I personally would really like to see that one.

No, think about it: How many websites are not much more than really big databases? eBay. Craigslist. Mobile.de. Google could be competing with all of them at once. Combine Google Base, the fact that Google Base content will show up in the search results and the upcoming "Google Wallet" and what you get might be serious trouble for some large companies.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I'm really curious if they offer a Gbase API so I can store my data at their place, but show it with my own layout templates on my own domain. Also, it would absolutey need a "keep this data private" flag for certain databases (not for all, certainly, e.g. if I want to sell my car, naturally this information is public)... but from the first looks of it, and the examples Google is giving, it seems as if they're going for public data only?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Wouter, you certainly have some prophetic qualities... combined with Tony's Google-sniffers, that has the potential for a lot of scoops. It makes me smile when I think that you two basically predicted Google Base in the forum 1 day *before* it went live.

John K [PersonRank 2]

11 years ago #

Base + Froogle + Wallet == Yahoo Stores or Amazon Sellers.

Froogle has undergone a major upgrade/rewrite, and Google is putting all the pieces in place to compete with Amazon and eBay

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Thank you. I personally created a few database systems where you can easily add custom fields to store any type of data. So I was really waiting for a system like google-base. The bigtable system seemed perfect for the job...so...

Maybe google wants to hire me now because my pet-project woovi (which is kinda the same) isn't really going places. (search for 'woovi' on google if you want to know more).

Paul Montgomery [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

First questions first: how easily can it be spammed?

N. Godbout [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

I don't notice anywhere that it says "BETA" on that screenshot. Must be a fake!

All Your Base Are Belong To Google (TM)

Myroslav Opyr [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Take a look at: base.google.com/base/welcome

The are building up (or rolling out) decoration interface (TOS, Help, etc) at the moment and far not all links work yet.

At the moment there is no BETA indicator. However they can add it any moment before the launch.

BTW, Google Account refuses to recognize "gbase" logins yet, so no use of googlebase still ;)

sabadash [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Well, let's see here.

I'll just erase the 'craigs' and write in a 'googles'.

Yep, that sounds just right.

Googleslist!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Myroslav, if you have any screenshots, it'd be great if you post them or send them to me. Right now, base.google.com/base/welcome currently displays a "forbidden" page...

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

This isn't google's way of going live is it?

If you are checking you should watch the folowing urls:

base.google.com/base/about.htm ...
base.google.com/base/tos.html
base.google.com/base/base_poli ...
base.google.com/base/fdbd
google.com/privacy.html
base.google.com/base/processst ...
base.google.com/base/welcome
base.google.com/base/dashboard ...

Myroslav Opyr [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Philipp, I was getting access via Google Web Accelerator to that area, however I cannot anymore ;) look like someone took a look at logs and noticed us walking around and watching them crafting googlebase homepage ;)

It was the page with content that is mantion in your post and the Login Iframe reported that Google Account requested is not accessible.

That's it, I can try to recover things from my browser cache, but it is worthless as it is the same or almost the same at it was on screenshots reported by others. So keep tuned.

BTW, is there anybody, who is invited to services.google.com/zeitgeist0 ... ?

Mike Sullivan [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

It's live right now (13:22 CT Tuesday 10/25) – you should be logged into your personalized Google home page, then type base.google.com into your browser and you will be there. Looks to be a generalized system for posting items (text, ads, jobs, merchandise, calendars) on Google.

Later,

Mike

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

It is live. But it is still a half-baked site. You must log in to publish a record but that is not posible (just like the first time it was live).

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

More pictures:

seweso.com/blog/2005/10/google ...

Andrew Escobar [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Owch! This seems like a serious threat to the offerings of 37signals.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Still not live for me (and I'm logged into my Google Account).

"Forbidden
Error 403"

Tony [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

It looks like Gary got an official "google like" statement about Google Base. It's on the SEW Blog.

[ blog.searchenginewatch.com/blo ... . -Ed.]

Ilya Baklanov [PersonRank 2]

11 years ago #

Why does google make projects like this go online before they are ready? I'm sure they've got internal web servers where you can create the whole project and ONLY after that move it to an online server. And on the screenshots we could see that the page wasn't finished yet.

Looks like google just plays with people making them discuss any project before it goes to public :) Spreading gossips the way Google does is a great way to promote themselves :)

sabadash [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Here:

businessweek.com/the_thread/te ...
for a Business Week story about Google Base,
but not that informative.

I do not that they agree with me (above):

October 25, 2005
Google Base: A New Rival for eBay and Craigslist?
by Rob Hof

I kind of like the idea, but expect they will drop the
ball just like blog search and for the same reason:
not enough development. We’ll see.

"-"

Nicholas [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

It was pretty much completely live for me a little while ago, but now I get a 403 error.

A couple of things that I noticed. Items are "active" for 31 days (maximum, you can set it to less) after which they become "inactive". Also, part of the interface kinda reminded me of Blogger: Publish, Save as draft, Cancel

I couldn't get the search engine to work on it at all, but it looks like a serious blow to eBay. I guess at this point you can't auction with it and there's no feedback system. Payment system to come?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Most mainstream news sources now compare Google Base to Ebay. And Bloomberg writes the stock market was affected to:

"Shares of EBay Inc., the world's largest Internet auctioneer, fell as much as 5.6 percent on concern Google Inc. may soon introduce a new feature that allows users to sell products online.

Bear Stearns Cos. analyst Robert Peck said today in a note that Google has been testing a Web site that looked like an on online marketplace, similar to that of San Jose, California-based EBay. Peck cited screen shots of a product called Google Base that were posted on a Web log. (...)

Google may use Google Base as a classified ads site, UBS AG analyst Benjamin Schachter said in a report. That would compete with EBay and sites such as Craigslist.com, he said."
bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10 ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

These screenshots show 3 different types of item ("jobs", "vehicles", and "people"):


internetmarketing-news.de/wp-i ...



internetmarketing-news.de/wp-i ...



internetmarketing-news.de/wp-i ...

Caleb E [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I still think this all is leading up to a *release* because we are seeing more and more stuff going up. The help page has nice screenshots (official ones) by the way.
base.google.com/base/about.htm ...
I dont think this is a direct hit against ebay. auction listing is only a small part, and there doesnt seem to be any planned payment system besides maybe google wallet, which they have already stated wont compete directly with paypal. i think its more like the google grid from the epic 2014 animation.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

More screens:
blogoscoped.com/archive/2005-1 ...

(The fact you saw this at a time when I didn't, Caleb, makes me wonder if they blocked specific regions... like Europe!)

Luca [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

the future is here :-)
grooan.com/futurefeeds/index.p ...

u07ch [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Its funny because googles own blog seems to be damping all your enthusiasm

googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/1 ...

nick [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

the ftp location...
ftp://hedwig.google.com/

mentioned in this screen shot...


blogoscoped.com/files/google-b ...



is still live.

Alex [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

xml driven, so you name attributes and then their values. they will probably wrap in some standard templates for cars, homes, etc., or better yet, let users build and submit the templates.

PierreS [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Google Base now returns a login screen but prevents you from actually loging in

Me [PersonRank 8]

11 years ago #

Smart move but:

But it kills too many businesses. There are tons of websites will go out of business because of that. The new rule will be “pay Google or die”. No more classifieds or other services, Google becomes a centerpiece for everything. Right now it’s already the case: pay Google or your business will not be found. And with Google Base it goes one step further to the world of no diversity, Google controls it all. Too bad that such a nice company is growing into the Big Brother crashing everything and everyone on the way.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Indeed, Google Base appears to be almost live... yet again! I'm still not able to sign in to the service, but I've noticed that it now appears on my Google Accounts menu. Screenshots available from my blog:

ruscoe.net/blog/2005/10/all-yo ...

Caleb E [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

My acct info has that entry too even though i've never successfully logged in....weird.

Oggz guy [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

It looks to me like a logical extension of Froogle. Also if you look at Froogle it recently changed within the last few days to a different format and includes some ratings apparently pulled from other merchant rating services and price groupings it lacked before. And the current page now says that items may get listed in Froogle.

Some of the articles talking about this being a classified service or taking on Ebay suggested that the ratings part of Ebay is one aspect they need to tackle. It looks like they jump started that in Froogle by pulling ratings from 3rd party rating services at least for some merchants, and oddly enough one of those merchants showed twice on a product search I did in Froogle, one with ratings and one saying no ratings.

Other articles talk about Google possibly taking on PayPal, and offering the listings services for free.

I'm excited. As a small merchant Google has done more for me than any other company to bring customers to my site and at reasonable or free cost to me.

Samuel Feuer [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

I think all your Google Base, Base belong to us.

I will use it.

www.MindSmack.com

Matt S [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

This new Google Base concept looks very similar to ROR – rorweb.com – the XML format promoting "structured indexing" of web content.

Jennifer Kind [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Wow this is very exciting!!! I hate Ebay!! GRumble

~jenniferkind~
www.milliondollarsweethearts.com

Anonymous Coward [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

"creating a new GoogleSQL" I see this speculation as ridiculous.

Think about it.

Ridiculous.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Once they release an API to their database with which you can include the content on your own site, it might not be as ridiculous. However, I can't say if that'll ever happen.

Robbie [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

the reality is that online markets are natural monopolies anyway. i'd rather have a company like Google coordinating the masses (hello! for free) than eBay. i suspect it will co-exist more peacefully with craigslist than other seller sites.

John [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

It's live, no one can login though. Pretty useless as of now.

David Sanger [PersonRank 7]

11 years ago #

After I tried to logon a few times, Google Base appeared in my list of services at www.google.com/accounts/Manage ...

Now it is gone.

Oliver [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

It's live now, just tried it and everything works!
ohotos.blogspot.com

JC [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

My first posting:
justin-cook.com/wp/2005/11/16/ ...

AlexCoppas [PersonRank 0]

10 years ago #

Heh..
Where is here some web gallery about site creators?
I'm need it.

For example, as here – google.com – Google, I'm really have seen it
here.

Good luck!

BLitzen [PersonRank 0]

10 years ago #

Today, June 1, 2006, I tried to log into my Froogle account. Google says it was converted to Google Base.
NONE OF THE LINKS TO LOGIN WORK!!! I get a 403 error.
Google can afford to quality check everything before launching. What gives?

Tim [PersonRank 0]

10 years ago #

It's back! I get 403 also. They shut off my Froogle account, force me to make changes and I can't even login? A little notice wouldv'e been nice – theyv'e got my email address as a registered merchant. Google, get with it. This is not acceptable free or otherwise.

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