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yscv [PersonRank 0]

Thursday, June 12, 2008
11 years ago10,905 views

how stupid is that!!

nice to see google making fun of it.. ridiculous... G-Mail and gmail are not the same, and they have the .com; he has the .de or whatever.......

at least they are taking it with humor, but giersch doesn't win anything (besides publicity? even if it's bad?).... and who loses: german gmail users

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Absolutely ridiculous!

Hopefully they'll never get told that they have to disable @gmail.com addresses in Germany too.

MMZaza [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

You can type googlemail.com

Ionut Alex. Chitu [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

"Hopefully they'll never get told that they have to disable @gmail.com addresses in Germany too."

Isn't that impossible?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Don't users have a country assigned to their account? If so, Google could be told to bounce any emails sent to German users. It's not likely and completely unreasonable but I wouldn't put it past them...

d [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Its googlemail in the UK too, though gmail is not blocked.

The logo is different, and the address you register with is googlemail. I think its some stupid EU regulation rubbish. The quicker we leave that stupid organisation the better. They have no common sense

michael [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

for me it workes fine. gmail.com is absolutly available from germany.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]d: It's nothing to do with "EU regulation rubbish". It's because of a trademark dispute with a UK company.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Un ...

Markus [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

For me it works too from Germany. I set my Gmail-language and my Windows system language to English tough, don't know if it has anything to do with it.

Isaac [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

d, it would be great if you had a clue about what you write. If it's an EU thing why does it happen only in Germany and the UK?

Paul [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

If a user registers in UK/Germany today and gets an @googlemail.com domain, is it still compatible with @gmail.com. Or does @gmail.com only work for pre-dispute accounts.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Paul, both addresses continue to work for new registrants. However, the default "from" address shows as the @googlemail.com variant and there's no way to change this once you've registered.

You can setup an additional email address to use the @gmail.com address in the from field in your account but this doesn't hide your @googlemail.com address and results in some email clients showing "From: username[put at-character here]gmail.com on behalf of Name [username[put at-character here]googlemail.com]". More about that here:

blogoscoped.com/search/?q=%22s ...

JR [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

re: "Oh, and we’d like to link the URL above, but we’re not allowed to do that either. Bummer."

Ummm.... Can you elaborate please?

mbegin [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

This is funny, I didn't realize the "Gmail Paper" April Fool's joke was making fun of the Germain "G-mail" company that sued them...

"The German naming issue is due to a trademark dispute between Google and Daniel Giersch. Daniel Giersch owns a company called "G-mail" which provides the service of printing out emails from senders and sending the print-out via postal mail to the intended recipients. On 30 January 2007, Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market ruled in favor of Giersch. It seems Google isn't without a sense of humor as this is the same service Google "offered" in the Gmail Paper April Fool's Day joke in 2007."

(via Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail)

David Mulder [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Although I can understand that google.de would be blocked, I don't get why gmail.com (if FULLY hosted outside of germany) may not link to mail.google.com (hosted in germany probably)...

knospe [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

I'm located in Germany and gmail.com works fine with me. It redirects to mail.google.com as it does for quite some time.
And you still can use @gmail.com even for new accounts with the @googlemail.com TLD ...

Michael Schwarz [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

The same for me, gmail.com is working.

Michael

ralphw [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Quick. Someone tell Germany and the EU about the United Nations and the process THEY have for domain name disputes.

ridiculous

Michael Schwarz [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Can anybody verify that a Google search for "gmail" does now return no "gmail.com" result, or better can anybody try this outside of Germany?

Michael

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

It is now working again for me too... I added an update.

e-driven [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Don't want to drive you guys crazy, but gmail isn't working from germany right now.
Gmail is blocked again and there is the same message as before. It sucks...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Still working here... at the moment, I don't get the sorry message in Germany...

Michael Schwarz [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Philipp, e-driven: it seems that the update of the Google web server is not yet done for all IP addresses, maybe. On my Web server I get the message as I have no DNS cache there. On my laptop I get it from time to time and at work I didn't get the message until now.

Michael

Michael Schwarz [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

Ah, I found it...

if you get the IP 72.14.223.18 for mail.google.com, than you'll get the message. gmail.com redirects to mail.google.com/gmail. Try to set your hosts file to see the change: 72.14.223.18 mail.google.com.

To use the working IP address you have to add following line instead:
209.85.137.18 mail.google.com

Michael

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Michael, that hack doesn't work for me. I never see the message. But then I'm not in Germany either, so it must (also?) be based on IP location.

Michael Schwarz [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Tony: yes, of course, you must have an IP address located in Germany.

scjm [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Why would the message be in English?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Scjm, perhaps it's also for travelers accessing Gmail from German internet cafes... but when I checked it I also had my browser's preferred language set to English, so maybe there was some content negotiation...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Indeed, they use content negotiation... I just saw the warning again, switched my browser's preferred language to German, and then got this:

<<In Deutschland können wir keine Dienste unter Gmail anbieten. Hier nutzen wir den Namen Google Mail.

Wenn Sie in Deutschland unterwegs sind, können Sie Ihre Mails unter http: //mail.google.com abrufen.

Oh, und wir würden gerne die URL oben verlinken, dürfen das aber auch nicht. Schade.

Allgemeine Informationen zu Google erhalten Sie unter www.google.com oder www.google.de.>>

MrBob [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

i guess it's "live" now..i got the message at work and now also at home :-(

Jesus [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Im getting the same message, even if Im logging from Colombia-Southamerica. I used to check my email from the UK. Am I doing something wrong?

Andy S. [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

[moved from "Gmail banned in Germany"]

After a week of frustration (I am an American living in Germany) and no
explaination for why gmail didnt work(I don't hang on blogs all day) until a nice englishman pointed me there, I found the reason lies in a court
decision.

One could fight all day about this--but would it not make sense for
google to register as a trademark "gmail.com" and than in this way
it obviates the problem?

Andy

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