Danny Sullivan is reporting at Search Engine Land that Google ran a honeypot that suggested that bing was using Google results to adjust their results.
Matt McGee covered Bing's response.
He reported that Harry Shum said:
"It’s not like we actually copy anything. It’s really about, we learn from the customers – who actually willingly opt-in to share their data with us. Just like Google does. Just like other search engines do. It’s where we actually learn from the customers, from what kind of queries they type – we have query logs – what kind of clicks they do. And let’s not forget that the reason search worked, the reason web worked, is really about collective intelligence."
This is utter nonsense.
And yet, the same headline and story have suddenly appeared on seemingly every tech blog. This is pure corporate wartime propaganda from Google. Bing is unique, and superior, with less Spam and junk – but thanks for confirming that I might as well be using Bing as Google can't tell the difference. Google and Bing give different results, so the algorithm is clearly not the same – please stop lying.
This is also blatant hypocrisy. How dare Google speak of innovation? Google employees have propagated the myth of their innovation for so long, they've begun to believe it. Google's innovation doesn't extend far beyond search, and that was a decade ago!
Google's Android OS is blatantly an attempt to copy Apple's iPhone and iOS. And it's actually just Java, which they are using without permission.
Google's Docs is openly just their attempt to emulate MS Office. And Google acquired it, they did NOT innovate it.
Google's GMail is blatantly copying Hotmail and Yahoo mail.
YouTube was purchased by Google, not innovated by them, presumably because they couldn't just copy it as normal.
Need I go on?
If Google wants to play dirty let's put more facts on the table. Sadly people who know the truth don't have Google's vast exposure.
Do you get paid for posting this stuff, Tim?
Google has caught Bing at it, with extremely strong experimental evidence. Microsoft has pretty-much admitted it.
The counterclaim is that Bing got the honeypot search terms from Bing Toolbar users in
1) The team at Bing tasks with maintaining the toolbar clickstream analytics must have notices that they were getting a significant number of signal data from Google pages and the ethical thing to so is to exclude it. The way this works in practice is that there are always large teams monitoring the automated process and Google must have stood out in their internal statistics (it remains one of the most popular sites on the internet).
2) Bing Toolbar (and similar toolbars from Google, Yahoo, etc.) should respect robots.txt (and Google's robots.txt that disallows '/search'). If I have some private site that I prefer not be indexed, I don't expect that site's data to start appearing in search results just because someone visited that page from a IE8 or a browser with the Bing toolbar. Again, it's not about the strict law of law of ToS, it's about ethics (robots.txt are unenforceable).
I would expect Google also uses clickstream data but I would also expect them to exclude bing.com (and ask.com etc.) specifically and any page fully excluded by robots.txt in general.
and what exactly has Microsoft ever "innovated" Tim?
I see comedy is not dead! I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at the Gmail line! To appear to know so little must take a lot of work. My hat comes off to you Sir. Good luck with your career in comedy, I hope you win some awards!
How may people do you think have typed "Bing"? :D
Hahah, I think a lot. By the way, also see this conversation captured on Twitter by Techcrunch. Someone also registrerd Hiybbprqag.com and linked it to the Jobs page from Google.
The latest in Bing Gate,
"We do not copy results from any of our competitors. Period. Full stop. We have some of the best minds in the world at work on search quality and relevance, and for a competitor to accuse any one of these people of such activity is just insulting."
Im affraid that the effidence is conclusive, so it doesn't really matter what Bing claims. They will never official admit it whatever happens. (That would definitely blow there reputation)
The full post from Bing,
It keeps getting better and better :-).