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Roger Browne [PersonRank 10]

Thursday, June 8, 2006
12 years ago8,845 views

I wonder what would happen if Google modified their disclaimer to read as follows:

"According to local laws and policies some search results are not showing. Click here to repeat the search without deletions at google.com."

Or perhaps there could be a Preferences setting. Google could offer "Standard Search", "Safe Search" (with adult sites excluded) and "Sanitised Search" (with government-critical sites excluded).

Arturo Gonzalez [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

Excuse me, but that shit is not right in any way you see it from

Democracy [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

go china go!!

Ryan [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

Other national google sites give different results than google.com also. There's some sort of different weighting in the algorithm for searchers from different countries. So all those terms aren't necessarily censored. Just so you know. But censorship of terms like "democracy" is evil.

the guy who saw this on digg [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

thats really bad. i hope this is chinas fault and not googles.

h [PersonRank 1]

12 years ago #

hey. plagarism sucks.

Next time try doing some original research rather than recycling what has been said already...

The most circulated list was published by the Washington Post a few months ago.

Matt [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

China makes me sick. Commies need to not get a grip but LOSE the grip. All of you that make fun of this need to go get me a barf bag because you make me sick too.

About one billion people are not allowed to research or know about freedom. Tell me there's not something wrong here and I'll have to roundhouse kick you all in the face.

And you, "Democracy" buddy, egging China on, you make me REALLY sick. You're gloating behind their backs "I have freedom and you don't and there's nothing you can do about it – so here's my sarcastic support."

Matt [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

...and if you want to continue this discussion, you'll want to do it at PoliticalDebating.com, where things are set up for stuff like this.

Lloyd [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

This list is bogus.

Anyway, do you really think that Chinese people care if ENGLISH searches are restricted? Ofcourse not.

James [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

google.com.cn/translate?langpa ...

easy fixed

holy [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

sure,a lot of people in china care about that,Because iam one of them.unfortunate,our government doing so.the term"Wiki"is also on
the list of censored search.but i believe things will go better in the future.

blah [PersonRank 1]

12 years ago #

well said "h" :)

dumb people [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

wow the intelligence is lacking with posters here......wow. Does anyone understand the issue this raises? Can anyone understand my post?

MyNewCat [PersonRank 1]

12 years ago #

It's amazing that they censor the search for bird flu – as if researching a potentially threatening disease is a bad thing.

At the end of the day, if you lie to someone or don't tell them the relevant truth then you enslave them.

And that just aint right!

Idzap [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

Just type 'tiananmen square' in Google.cn and Google.com and you can see blatant censorship..

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

Ah, welcome digg crowd... I was wondering :)

Ryan:
> Other national google sites give different results than
> google.com also. There's some sort of different
> weighting in the algorithm for searchers from
> different countries. So all those terms aren't
> necessarily censored.

Yes, they are. I didn't check for differences in search results, which as you say is normal in different countries. I only checked for Google's disclaimer reading "According to local laws and policies some search results are not showing" (in Chinese) below the search result. So, unless Google is fooling us with their disclaimer, all the searches as mentioned are indeed censored. In the past, Google has omitted the disclaimer even when there were censored results, but it's hard to imagine they do it the other way round too (showing the disclaimer even when there's nothing censored).

Lloyd:
> This list is bogus.

Really? Why?

H.:
> Next time try doing some original research
> rather than recycling what has been said already...

Yes, it was my own research, but I'm sure making the terms up instead of reporting on reality would be more original.

Addison [PersonRank 1]

12 years ago #

Wow... I'm curious as to why the UK is banned on there but no other country is listed (on here at least)

Sala [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

It's quite amazing how a brandname can fall down within such a short time. Google is not only doing business with one of the worst regimes on this planet, but it is also starting to think and act like that (see aharef.info/2006/06/how_google ...) when it comes to customer care.

/pd [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

"Chinese internet users have had serious problems using Google's international search service, prompting speculation it is being disrupted by government censors."

news.ft.com/cms/s/bbc6dabe-f69 ...

ChinaLawBlog [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

Fortunately, there are code words and even numbers for a lot of these things (though presumably this makes finding the right thing on a search engine that much tougher) and many users have workarounds. Still, whether this list is legit or not, there is no doubt that China blocks a lot of things, including many things that most would not consider to be any threat at all to the regime.

www.chinalawblog.com

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

As soon as we need *workarounds* for Google, I think the company has become part of the problem, not the solution.

Nimbus [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

LMAO

"I'm proud to be an American..."

The Scrutinator [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

I'm wondering if China, with or without Google's permission, is trying to broaden its censorship...

scrutinator.blogspot.com/2006/ ...

WereWolfie619 [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

IMHO its a case of developing a tailored Chinese censored or limited site/service or being blocked completely.

It's happening with quite a few games/services, Google instead of being blocked completely is providing a limited service to over a billion people, thats a lot of hits no matter how you look at it.

It's basic business, unfortunately seeing as there is no freedom of speach in China, the people have no say. Governments word is final, no dispute. So if they want to block a site that promotes free speach for Chinese it will be blocked, just like your works firewall/DNS.

I dont agree with the Chinese regime. But you can bet it's not just Google that will conform to this Censoring.

commie guest [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

i agree with comunism in every shape and form, that being said let me say my comment

we have to respect laws in other countires, if those words represent law breaking there, then so be it, and here comes the biggest example, there was an issue back a few years ago with japan not censoring child pornography on the internet, after that, google and other search engines were required to remove child pornography sites from their searches, WHY? cause child pornography is Illegal.

now, i dont agree with child pornography either, and Im glad the US sensors it.
well, its prety much the same then, of course ull say well its not the same cause democracy is not against the human rights bla bla bla, but still, each country is soverign, and has its own sets of laws, and so be it, thats how its been and thats how its always goin to be, u americans get sensored without knowing, they know they are, and news flash, chinese love dont hate their goverment.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

WereWolfie619:
> IMHO its a case of developing a tailored Chinese
> censored or limited site/service or being blocked completely.

No. Google.com was available before, and down only 10% of the time (according to Google's own estimates).

Commie:
> chinese love dont hate their goverment.

I know Chinese who don't. Are they in the minority? I don't know.

chinese guy here [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

Every country has their own law. We have the right not to agree with how other people live, but u need to respect them. In China, no freedom to speech, because too many people, if everybody go to street and parade, i think we will not survive! I'm a chinese, i agree with what my government did, in order to maintain peace of my country, and improve people's living conditions, i support what my government did. Right now i'm in USA, and know how USA is developed in many aspects, but some of them comparing to China-the 5000 year culture and tradition, we can't use it. We have our own lifestyle and way of thinking. American may hate it, but chinese people love it. Just as i also hate something in USA, but Good parts make me stay here right now.

/pd [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

Hey, thats an interesting comment!!

i understand that we need to respect the law and what you mostly say is true in a certain sense. china just suddenly permit anachy on the streeets, it will be mayham and disaster to just open the taps.

However you say "I'm a chinese, i agree with what my government did". Can this be said of every citizen in china ?? I don't think som else there wont be the dessidents in jail and the Google, Yahoo, MSFT issues correct ??

I mean, there are limitations to certain things, but where does the line of limiation be drawn and who draws it ?

We also have laws in the EU and US. There are lines drawn for internet content and information. However, most those lines have gone thru a 'fair proces' method. I am not like some of these laws, but then again, it been veto thru a process and a imposed suppression.

16-yo Chinese Born Canadian [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

to /pd. I agree entirely with your way of thinking. Although I myself was born in Canada, my parents and grandparents came from parts of China.

Its weird that in my family, my grandparents on my father's side agree with China's policies and my grandparents on my mother's side disagree. However, they get along very well. As a grandson, I have to respect the opinions of both grandparents, and to tell you the truth, it isn't all too different. Perhaps my grandparents aren't extremists of either opinion...or perhaps they might be a bit hypocritical of what they're saying...but they always agree that whatever benefits the people is whatever is the best choice. And that choice is a complete toss-up.

Being born and raised in Canada...I have a very biased opinion on what constitues "good" politics. We're always being told "democracy is good," "communism is bad," "equal rights is good," "oppression is bad." In many ways I agree...but to approach this issue with a completely open mind is a very essential but very difficult thing to do. You're 1 of 6 billion people occupying this world and everyone has a different opinion. To sell your one opinion as the ONLY right answer to everything is to give the middle finger to everyone else.

Try to imagine a world where communism and oppression is absolutely necessary to maintain survival of mankind. It isn't hard to do 'cause China is a perfect example. Then we get into just how much oppression China needs to run its society. Seeing that China demands complete conformity of their people and that any other option is not acceptable..is just plain BS to me.

Bleh...i'm rambling on here with my incomplete thoughts...I'm good at doing that =P.

IMHO: For China to slap their politics on their citizens without much regard to what the citizens think is IN MY HONEST OPINION a big mistake.

Keep in mind that this is MY OPINION and my opinion only. I do not wish to force-feed it to people without them thining about it first.

/pd [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

==>To sell your one opinion as the ONLY right answer to everything is to give the middle finger to everyone else.

I totally agree with you on this. In my opionin, there does not have be an answer for everything , especially that an answer like this effect 6 billion peope ... minus one, myself :)-

Yes, yes, yes... "And that choice is a complete toss-up."!!

We all want that, but very have that option ..correct ? There is 1B in china, 30M in KR and another 30m in Burma. There are other areas where this syndrome resides too...eg Dufar regions, afraican countires, South american countries and we have all seen the mishap's of serbia and bosnia.

No, its just one area or ethinic group, its just wide spread. Its a syndrome of supression. This needs to be broken. My only opinion is that they be able to toss a coin and make thier own destinys of choice.

=="Keep in mind that this is MY OPINION and my opinion only."

:)_

Eigokyoukan [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

This is propaganda. Go to google.cn and google.com. do searchs for your "banned" words. The same sites come up in each, just slightly diffrent order, but the number 1 website on all searchs are the same. Dont spout this disinfo if you cant even go there and check it yourself....

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

Eigo: [Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/38275.ht ...

Anonymous(Is that how its spelled?) [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

How about a U.S Censorship of google?(If there is one...)

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

12 years ago #

It starts with how you define censorship. Yes, Google.com also removes results for an US audience, but from what I know mostly due to the "Digitial Millenium Copyright Act" (DMCA). So when someone copies your content without license you can file a complaint and Google will remove the results.

For example, enter the following in Google.com and scroll down to the bottom of the page to find a disclaimer of removed results:

site:xenu.net

Bal [PersonRank 1]

12 years ago #

SHAME. :(

Gordon [PersonRank 0]

12 years ago #

I wonder if you're using pure English keywords or those were the translations of Chinese keywords.

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