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ShellehS [PersonRank 5]

Thursday, July 20, 2006
13 years ago7,689 views

now it cant display chinese (simple), like this ^o^

>ShellehS
>d00d, y0ur 14||gu4g3/ch4r4c73r 537 c4||'t d15p14y
>7hi5 C|-|1N353 (51MPLIPHi3D) 5u|/||/|4ry.
>shellehs.blogsome.com/ – 43k –
>18 jUL 2006 – (4(h3d – 5i|/|i14r p4g35

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Philipp > when I search for "fun" I see no difference... because I see the French version >>> you should add the "&hl=en" parameter ;-)

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

> you should add the "&hl=en" parameter

Thanks, will do!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

PS: To check if Google deems your site "accessible", search for it using the site operator... e.g. blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...

If the Accessible option returns zero results, it's likely you're flagged "inaccessible"!

[Update: I was wrong on this, see below.]

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

No, this don't work :
when I search for "vrai nom" (real name) I got my website www.vrai-nom.com

but if I search for "site:www.vrai-nom.com", no result in the Accessible search!

ShellehS [PersonRank 5]

13 years ago #

and i confused, why it display some results with red color others are blue color

ShellehS [PersonRank 5]

13 years ago #

> but if I search for "site:www.vrai-nom.com"

i got, 2 pages .

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...
>> no result ;-)

ShellehS [PersonRank 5]

13 years ago #

oops mistook no result this
> > but if I search for "site:www.vrai-nom.com"

> i got, 2 pages .

Corsin Camichel [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Muhhaa :D

labs.google.com/accessible/
The requested URL was not found on this server.

Is it just me or does delete always delete links/pages?

ShellehS [PersonRank 5]

13 years ago #

Turn ON Personalized Search (Beta) for these results

can get the results that not display at first .

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

I take it back... the "site" operator doesn't work at any time with Accessible search, so it's no indicator on whether Google deems a site accessible or not!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

> and i confused, why it display some results with red
> color others are blue color

It's confusing indeed. Maybe Google thinks that for visually impaired (not blind) users, the contrast must be stronger than just blue vs purple..

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

<< Their own websites aren’t really proof that Google “gets” accessibility... >>

And they're kind of admitting this when you search for [Google]:

blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...

(Blogger is the top result when using the accessibility search.)

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Interestingly, the copyright notice on the results pages is dated 2000:

"Copyright ©2000 Google Inc."

Is this really a new thing or just a newly updated thing?

Corsin Camichel [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Reto
Maybe it is just the old search results page?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Reto – I was just going to post exactly the same comment!

BTW, I just noticed this:

google.com/u/accessible?q=goog ...

i.e. searching the Accessible site without the "cx=accessible%21" parameter only searches the emacspeak.sourceforge.net website. Weird.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

BTW, T. V. Raman (who works on the Emacspeak project) works at Google as a Research Scientist:

emacspeak.sourceforge.net/rama ...

That's probably the reason why...

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

google.com/u/accessible?hl=en& ...

Love google earth

News
google.com/u/accessible?hl=en& ...

CNN
google.com/u/accessible?hl=en& ...

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

<< Maybe it is just the old search results page? >>

Yep, it looks like they're just using the cobranded university search pages for this, which seem to include the "Copyright ©2000 Google Inc." in the template by default. Here's an example page:

   google.com/u/custom

I guess that makes it easier for them to brand / edit and make it more accessible. By adding the "cx=accessible%21" parameter, they then get the results they require.

Corsin Camichel [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Reuters:
today.reuters.com/stocks/Quote ...

T.V. Raman, a research scientist at Mountain View, California-based Google, said his project sorts search results based on the simplicity of page layout, the quality of design and the organization and labeling of information on each page.

"I knew it was a hard problem," Raman, who is blind, said in a phone interview. "What did I discover by doing this project? It's an even harder problem than I anticipated."

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Try this Google on both accessible and Web
Blogger is more accessible than google.com

blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Elias KAI:

[Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/45987.ht ...

Heh! ;-)

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

wikipedia is one of the most accessible sites with Google Accessible search for different and many competitive keywords.

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Oops Tony,
I think this example will do better White House

blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...

Washington post better accessibility for the word White house than whitehouse.gov

Corsin Camichel [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Yahoo UK is more accessible than the .com blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...
Has the UK not some special laws on that topic?

kristin [PersonRank 0]

13 years ago #

lnterestingly this search doubles up as a very nice pda web search for those of us who want more than wap but have problems with busy sites

Sam Davyson [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

The style of the results pages reminds me very much of those ones you get with Adsense for Search, which look very outdated.

Corsin I think they do, I remember running a site through one of these services that rates your website and it said the site was illegal by British law.

Sam Davyson [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Am I right in thinking this is ad free search right now? Hmm maybe I'll use it.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

But there is a problem when you search for e.g. a specific site. I mean when I search for "myspace" I want myspace.com on top, no matter how crowded the site is. Right now, Accessible Search will not show myspace.com on top:
blogoscoped.com/accessible/?q= ...

Ionut Alex. Chitu [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

This is accessibility-censorship.

Corsin Camichel [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Where is the beta logo?
I think, Google is tweaking and maybe they will add specific sites on #1 or/and link those to their "pda interface"
Can't find the link right you

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

<< Where is the beta logo? >>

It's "Labs" not "Beta":


labs.google.com/accessible/ase ...



And they obviously think that images aren't very accessible, which is probably why they've replaced the logo with the massive "Accessible Search" title! :-)

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Another good way for using The Google Accessible Labs is to type any domain name
it can be confronted to what used to be the link: command
Try this, and you end up with similarity of the backlink command.

google.com/u/accessible?cx=acc ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

> And they obviously think that images aren't very
> accessible, which is probably why they've replaced the logo
> with the massive "Accessible Search" title!

This is exactly the kind of misconception of "accessibility" that makes me worried about Google ever getting it right in terms of ranking accessibility. I wouldn't be surprised if Google lowers the accessibility score of sites using empty alt texts (like <img src="purely-presentational-glitter.gif" alt="" />).

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Official Google Blog post by T.V. Raman, is now up:
googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/0 ...

<< In its current version, Google Accessible Search looks at a number of signals by examining the HTML markup found on a web page. It tends to favor pages that degrade gracefully--that is, pages with few visual distractions, and pages that are likely to render well with images turned off. Google Accessible Search is built on Google Co-op's technology, which improves search results based on specialized interests. >>

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

(Oops – just realised that they've used the same text that Philipp quoted from the FAQ page...)

gary price [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Some other accessibility news:

1) AOL has just launched closed captioning of it's CNN feeds.

2) Have you tried Speakwire or Speegle or Speegle Bot?

Speakwire allows you to take any RSS feed and have it read to you.

Speegle runs Google searcher reads the results back to you. You can even specify what you would like read.

Speeglebot is an automated (and very beta) interactive question and answering tool.

Links to All:
resourceshelf.com/2006/07/20/a ...

Elias KAI [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

searh for hotel , you only get two results, it is reall y a lab version hehe
google.com/u/accessible?hl=en& ...

Ionut Alex. Chitu [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Wrong link:

google.com/u/accessible?cx=acc ...

You get many results: 130,000,000

Richard Warnock [PersonRank 0]

13 years ago #

What is grimly amusing about ranking Dr. Fun at the top is that it was one of the first and longest running web cartoons.

Dave just recently quit doing the cartoons but is leaving the archives in place.

So tell me why a visual medium which is unusable by an unsighted person at the top of the page rankings?

This points up the dangers of ranking sites without considering the purpose and featured content of the site.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

google.com/u/news?

strange

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Tom what's that... and how did you find it?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

It's just another cobranded university search for Western Michigan University similar to these:

google.com/options/universitie ...

Some other weird ones:

google.com/u/test
google.com/u/test2
google.com/u/testing
google.com/u/testing123
google.com/u/testtest
google.com/u/tony

Also see my previous comment for reasons why these are related to the Accessibility Search:
[Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/45987.ht ...

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Philipp > I just tried the URL and... jackpot! ^^

Tony > Good pick :) But why the "accessible search" is in this directory "/u/" ?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Like I said, I guess that makes it easier for them to brand / edit and make it more accessible.

guurgle [PersonRank 0]

13 years ago #

Your side by side tester is pretty cool. I have implemented something similar but am have trouble getting it to work right. Can you please share the code with us? You can email me at blogoutercourt[put at-character here]upbeat.net

Thank you very much in advance.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

All you need to do is accept the get request and pass it on to the two iframes. Most of the code is public in the files itself (the HTML and the CSS). The rest is really just outputting the string to the input box and to the URL of the iframes, and make sure you escape the characters in both cases against HTML injections.

David Owens [PersonRank 0]

13 years ago #

Interesting. I'm not sure that saying "well you won't want to look at these ones, but these might interest you", is terribly helpful though. There are such a huge range of factors, covering such a huge variation in problems, that you can't really have a generic test for accessibility. What is a problem for one disability group is very often not a problem for another disability group. Maybe if you could choose which filters to apply it would make a little more sense.

Cristian Mezei [PersonRank 5]

13 years ago #

Hell dudes.. Try to find ANY accesibility standard code in the Google accesible search pages.

No labels, no extended descriptions. No nada.

They thought colors, but what about the rest ?

jilm [PersonRank 10]

13 years ago #

Try to search "Google" in regular search and there. Funny result.

Kaj Kandler [PersonRank 0]

13 years ago #

I would have thought that "Google Search Accessible" would favor such sites that are compliant with the federal US guidelines section 508 for accessibility. However, they do not, as my quick test showed.

conficio.blogspot.com/2006/07/ ...

So who gets it right? The US government or Google? Should we test now for Google ranking instead?

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