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Varun [PersonRank 3]

Monday, September 1, 2008
5 years ago114,945 views

Is it real. Or something just comical?

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

So in the same week Google extends the contract with Mozilla and also announces that.

Seems interesting let's see where it ends :)

Joe Roessler [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Damn. They just ripped off Opera!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> Is it real.

I've asked Google for a release date and will post should their be anything...

Pierre S [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Boooom

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I love the way they've presented this and promoted it virally offline. I wonder how many others received this comic.

PomCompot [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Most (if not all ?) of those functionnality are already in Opera or accessible by extending Firefox. But, a new open source browser may be an interesting thing. Firefox has made great strides for the Web, may Google do the same.

Marty191 [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

looks cool, google always buy something, and than they create something similliar ... skype – google talk, wikipedia – Knol ... and now its mozilla firefox – google Chrome ?

Roger Browne [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

The comic is targeted to journalists, I presume. What a great way to communicate complex ideas! Scott's illustrations are very clever.

The design of the browser is impressive, and is obviously quite mature. It can't be long before we see a beta.

The inverted tabs are logical, because the state that belongs to each tab is now shown under that tab. Inverted tabs have been considered before by other browser makers, but the problem is finding a good place for the menu and/or bookmark bars – and these drawings give away no clues.

I'm looking forward to Chrome very much.

PomCompot [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I am thinking about something : is there a link between the name Chrome and the fact that a big part of Mozilla browsers configuration is stored in a file called chrome.js ? Maybe a curious coincidence.

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

After reading the comic* I this that Chrome this is both Google Browser and Google OS.

It works offline and every tab (that's every web app) runs on a different process so if it crashes only that tab (app) crashes not teh whole browser. Just like an OS.

* C'mon is Scott McCloud!

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I wonder if Calendar / GMail integration with Gears will be released at the same time as Chrome?

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

It's curious that with at least two Firefox developers on the team (Ben Goodger and Darin Fisher) they are using Webkit as the rendering engine.

Also I don't think that the use of the word chrome is related to Mozilla. Chrome is just another way of calling a GUI (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_int ...)

Roger Browne [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Pau Tomàs: From the user's point of view, you are correct. If a user's computer can support Chrome, the user can do all their computing without needing to leave Google products and services.

Of course, an underlying operating system still must exist to provide the kernel, filesystem, device drivers etc.

I wonder if Steve Ballmer knew this was coming?

Rohit Srivastwa [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I loved the way comic is created.
is there a tool to help you create comic similar to this one? I'm looking for something which can help me make my own characters and comics out of it.

Toby Boyd [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]PomCompot: Chrome is traditionally what the interface of a web browser is called, the toolbars, scrollbars, etc. For example,
urbandictionary.com/define.php ...
It's not specific to Moz.

[put at-character here]Roger Browne: Inverted tabs are logical in the context of the browser, but will not play nicely with the conventions of the OS (at least, I can't visualize it blending in OS X, Ubuntu, or Vista). Which is why FF, Opera, and Safari have made the choice to extend the tabs down.

What a comic book can't show us is the rendering engine. Will it be gecko? It might be interesting if it was (like the javascript vm) a new product, provided that it had impeccable standards support. Anything else would be, well, evil...

Matt [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

The 404 page for google.com/chrome is very different from any other 404 page, such as google.com/chrom
I've noticed this with other services before they were released (such as presently).

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

"Anything else would be, well, evil..."

Hyperbole much? Anyway, according to the comic it'll use Webkit as a rendering engine.

c [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Webkit > gecko but honestly this is just going to split the shareage of firefox alone, and lead to more IE dominance. IE users at this point are just clueless.

Unless there's a merge?

Tricky [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome is pretty cool name. It sounds like something out of the William Gibson Sprawl trilogy.

Delita [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Yeah, known about this for awhile, via a few google employees.

smacfarl [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Scan in the comic already so we can read it!

@Toby Boyd [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

> Which is why FF, Opera, and Safari have made the choice to extend the tabs down.

You musn't have looked close enough. Opera's tabs extend upwards and are places above the address bar.

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

and it would be in beta for........................how long?
believe it when i see it.

Michiel [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

"link removed" is rather futile in today's world of RSS feeds and readers.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Michiel, I think it's quite an effective way to throttle bandwidth (since the aim isn't to stop traffic to the pages altogether, but merely to delay visits whilst action can be taken to reduce the load). Besides, most RSS readers update RSS feeds when they're updated, so readers late to the party won't have seen the link yet anyway...

Niraj Sanghvi [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Pau Tomàs: I also immediately thought of the renewal of the Mozilla deal and can't help but think this must somehow be related because I can't see them trying to cannibalize on the Firefox marketshare.

[put at-character here]Reto Meier: It seems possible that they've not rolled out Gears for Gmail for so long because they were busy setting it up for this. Because otherwise I'm still quite surprised at how slowly they've rolled Gears out across their services. I can't recall if it's out for Calendar now, or if that still remains.

George [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Am I the only one not excited by this?

Google is yet again branching into areas which are out of their expertise and losing focus on their core business. I expect a mediocre product, which may or may not contain AdSense, and will almost certainly inappropriately track user behavior.

Furthermore, as a web developer, I find this extremely frustrating. This is yet another browser I'll have to test in. Why couldn't they just build onto Firefox like everyone else?

Artemy Tregubenko [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

> Instead of traditional tabs like those seen in Firefox

Actually tab-based browsing was pioneered by Opera, and these traditional tabs have address bar below them ;)

Benjamin Meyer [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Got a link to the comic?

Tanath [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

According to Wikipedia, Opera was not the first, but rather something called IBrowse.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

code.google.com/p/chrome/ returns an 403 error, not a 404.

looselips [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

> Yeah, known about this for awhile, via a few google employees.

Pity we will have to let them go since they can't keep their mouth shut.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> "link removed" is rather futile in today's world of RSS
> feeds and readers.

Agreed, but as Tony says I just wanted to win some time while working on better improvements (and I was only able to edit the post, I can't connect via FTP since the server is stressed...). Still working on it right now...

[Edit: first measurements have now been taking, the comic is restored at the moment... I'll keep monitoring the server...]

Janek Mann [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm quite excited by this...
Non-sandboxed tabs are a daily irritation for me in Firefox; I may have 20 tabs open and then Firefox starts getting really slow and using up all the CPU but I have no way of finding out which tab is misbehaving, so I have to kill them all.
A web browser with a separate process per tab is an idea the time for which has come. The combination of Webkit with a (presumably) good JavaScript VM sounds sensible. I hope they'll manage to deal well with Flash also.

Pablo [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

More compatibility hell for us front end developers....

Poisonous Child [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I would like to see Google also develop a mobile browser that can be deployed to multiple OS platforms ... yes it may stem any potential cross-over users to the Android mobile platform, but it'd be nice to have something better than SkyFire, IE Mobile, Opera Mobile ... just dreaming here, especially since Fennec won't be released anytime soon.

Carlos L. [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Wow, the Windoze world is getting a private surfing feature in their browser. Sad.
Aside from that, I'm excited about this browser from Google.

Binod [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Sounds interesting. This will bring revolution in the browser market. What will happen to firefox, which runs with the support of Google?

Bjorn Tipling [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Just great. Another browser to support...

Mike Linksvayer [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Lots of interesting stuff there, including the minor item of sending hardcopies of this to journalists before announcing on the web. The scan says that the comic is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND but the scan itself doesn't seem to sport a license notice. Was that given elsewhere in the package sent to journalists?

I wonder how many were sent? Seems like a possible instant collectors' item. :)

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/139142.h ...

Nothing, they just extended the deal to 2011.

Toby Boyd [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Oops, I see that (courtesy of Coral) that they do get around to telling us it's really Webkit-based. All in all, it sounds good, though I see there's no mention of extensions (which are both the greatest strength and weakness of FF).

I realize Opera's tabs are above the location bar, but I was responding to the cartoony windows with no title bar, which wouldn't be consistent with most OSes / window managers (though I see that in the gmail discussion they show a tabless browser with a titlebar).

Varun [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

Also, it can only be a mobile browser for Android. After all, Android should be coming soon

Unknown Solider [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

It's really, really fast. Really awesome.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> The scan says that the comic is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND but
> the scan itself doesn't seem to sport a license notice. Was that
> given elsewhere in the package sent to journalists?

Mike, here's the cover and back cover scan now... on the back cover you can see the Creative Commons license (nothing else but the comic was included in the package... the comic is roughly DIN-A-5 size):


blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ ...



blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ ...

cara good [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

excited by this option. need a better tool fast.

orcmid [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Very interesting. This sounds like an interesting additional browser to look at with regard to standards-mode, careful integration, and clean architectural boundaries for performance and for reliability.

I look forward to more information on the browser itself.

Ionut Alex. Chitu [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

The comic book is a very nice present from Google. It seems that nobody else received it, even though the project should be significant for Google.

scott [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Opera has all that stuff already. Big deal google.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Kara Swisher from All Things Digital quotes some anonymous sources "with knowledge of the project":
kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/g ...

Greg [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Funny (or just lame of me to notice) that the tab being closed on page 6 is memoryhog.net, which Google acquired (for this comic I guess) on August 14th. Gary Price noted this domain acquisition in this post when it happened: blogoscoped.com/forum/138759.h ...

Jim Spencer [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Why do I feel like they are eating Mozilla's lunch and paying the bill? Can this be good for Firefox? Seems like Google is the Borg, absorbing everything near them in the name of the user.

[ICR] [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"Opera has all that stuff already. Big deal google. "

Except, you know, the major architectural differences.

Brian [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

How did you get this in the mail today, a federal holiday?

Unless I don't know what I'm talking about and you're Canadian or something...

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

... or German :P

Joshua Jenkins [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

All the premature hate in here is awesome! Good work guys!

Seriously though, this is fantastic to hear and I'm looking forward to giving it a try when it's released.

A couple points to the people that don't get it:

"Another browser to support from a front end standpoint argument" – It's WebKit based. If it works in Safari it'll work in Chrome.

"Opera has all that stuff already" – Seriously? Come on. Opera doesn't have V8, sandboxing, or separate processes per tab, to the best of my knowledge.

"No extension" – I took the plug-ins section in the comic to also include extensions, but I may be mistaken on that one.

Anyway, great article, and excited to see what comes of this.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Brian, as Pau indicates, yes I'm German.

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Joshua Jenkins: I think that with plugins they mean Flash, Java and things like that.

I can see Gears being the "Extension system" of Chrome since, according to the comic it'll be used to much more than supor offline browsing (it says something like "making developers life easy"). Also with Aaroon Boodman involved maybe we can expect some Greasemonkey love.

G D Milner [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Please please please let us not have tabs above the address bar. That's just perverted.

Dino D. [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

is it just me, or does the logo remind you of a pokeball?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

... oh, and Kara Swisher in above linked post says Chrome will be "ready for download to users as early as tomorrow". Well let's see, I don't have any confirmation from Google in regards to a release date yet.

Christoffer Sørensen [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Separate process per tab sounds nice. However if window managers were better in Gnome, KDE and Windows it wouldn't be necessary.

Hopefully one day, every application will support tabs through the window manager instead of coding it your self.

xiticix [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"Another browser to test in".... cry me a river. Evolve or die.

Antonin Hildebrand [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

After reading comics, to me as a web developer it seems as a "browser finally made right" (tm)

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Artist Scott McCloud chimed in with a blog post:
smccloud.livejournal.com/15488 ...

Greg [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

By the way, huge thanks to Philipp for scanning and presenting this so nicely. You're awesome, and damn good at what you do.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

"before the official launch date of this Wednesday." Hé hé hé ^^

Tim F. [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I haven't dug into the comic: do we know if Windows, Mac, and Linux will all be supported?

This will be great. Webkit is simply superior to Gecko or IE and is already taking over the mobile web. Unfortunately, Safari's interface and performance aren't great.

Mozilla will have to step up. They already lag in underlying engine; Opera wins on features. Mozilla's major strength is add-ons, and most eventually weigh the app down. But all in all, they'll probably herald it as good initially because no matter what it will put the most pressure on Microsoft.

I don't get the people saying: ooh, Google just renewed the deal with Mozilla, something's fishy. It's not as if Firefox would have chosen a different search engine to default to or passed up the lucrative Google deal just because they were going to compete. Apple gladly has a similar deal.

Edward W. Stanley [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

1) Javascript is used to place targeted ads.

2) Passing javascript between browsers allows for better targeting ads.

3) Better targetting means better sellng ads.

4) Better selling ads means increased revenue.

5) More revnue means inceased stock prices.

6) Increased stock prices mean happier stock holders.

[signature removed]

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> Funny (or just lame of me to notice) that the tab being
> closed on page 6 is memoryhog.net, which Google
> acquired (for this comic I guess) on August 14th.

I wonder if they tried to buy www.wtf??.com as seen on page 3 too... ;-)

And someone has only just snapped up alreadyrank.com and attheveryleast.com as seen on page 10!

Konstantin G [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Please G, please no!! Not one more browser (to test with)!!!

Jesiniel N [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Wow sounds great!! I cant wait till it comes out
P.S Im a happy Googler :)

James Mackenzie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Is there any word on other aspects of privacy? Will Chrome, for instance, pass info to advertisers?

eli emboodo [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I wonder how they are going to combine it with iGoogle since these are two different concepts. The new browser seems to let you manage everything on the frame while iGoogle is build to inner management (also has tabs and search box). Will see! I'm going to research more and write on my blog about this emboodo.com [unlinked as link not directly relevant at this time]

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

gizmodo.com/5044032/chrome-goo ...

Featured on Giz

Laszlo Oslo [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

For those who are already complaining about another browser to support, it's worth noting that the web is designed to conform around standards. It is only because of greater browser diversity since 2004 that the browser market is not totally locked down by the idiosyncrasies of IE 6 even today. If Chrome delivers on its promises of speed, security and stability, then it will soon command the market share to enforce the common web standards more forcefully than they are now. (Some joke that Firefox's best release was IE 7, but it's true.)

And, the advantages of their fundamental design changes will likely force other browser makers to adopt similar philosophies to compete. Luckily for everyone, with Chrome and V8 being opensource from the outset, they'll have a giant headstart in transitioning their own codebase or making their own forks that introduce newfangled features.

This is an exciting announcement that will benefit competition, innovation, billions of web users and, ultimately, web developers.

Leo Bolin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Oh come on, it's not really another browser to test in. It uses WebKit, and should render more or less exactly like Safari.

g [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Page 13. Pls. compare the size and shape of Germany...

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I only noticed the words "Windows" and "Vista" relating to OSs it would run on. Hopefully they will release Linux/Mac versions as well.

Part of me is exicted about "Chrome" but part of me is wondering what effect this will have on Firefox :(

Jacob C [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"Oh come on, it's not really another browser to test in. It uses WebKit, and should render more or less exactly like Safari."

No, this is really another browser to test in. It will use WebKit, but not necessarily the same version of WebKit used by Safari at any given time. JavaScript code, meanwhile, will run in a completely different VM than Safari's.

letdown [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

yay – another browser.

Prediction: Google adds extensions for "making Web 3.0 easier" tried to attract developers, block our IE8 and Firefox... oh wait, didn't this already happen in 1997?

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

google.com/trends/hottrends?q= ...

exploding on Google Trends.

[EDIT-added;]
and here:

news.google.com/?ncl=124159505 ...

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/139142.h ...

me too, I'm getting a new MacBook whenever they are announced, and i NEED this...the only problem is...Firefox Users like plug-ins.

my Favourite browser to use is Safari, but I stick with Firefox because of Plug-ins/Add-Ons

Of course, Chrome is, at this point trying to take on IE, not Firefox, but wouldn't the web be so much better under this 1 browser, how does Google plan on making the whole web so perfect like they see to be trying with this browser. I mean, will the API's and Open Source stuff work in non-webkit based browsers?

Will other browsers be able to take all these features on board, and not mess them up? 9I'm looking at IE's insertion of Firefox's features here)

Stefan Constantinescu [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

If you could update the blog post to say that the official launch is on Wednesday that would be great. The comic book author says so himself on his blog: smccloud.livejournal.com/15488 ...

Dan Angel [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

If sandboxed tabs are the biggest deal here, it's no big deal.

"Is there any word on other aspects of privacy? Will Chrome, for instance, pass info to advertisers?"

That was my first thought. In Firefox, Tools, Options, Privacy, Cookies, Exceptions, I have Google listed as "blocked." I would be very surprised if Google's browser allows that. And as I don't want Google storing my searches forever, that would be a deal-killer for me.

Harry Hawk [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

The whole project seems well thought out except for the part that allows applications to run in browser windows with missing browser components. The issue is it should 100% up to the USER if they don't want those things.

When you allow the site designer to hide UI, the user's rights are being diminished on their own machine(s).

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Official post from Google:

<< As you may have read in the blogosphere, we hit "send" a bit early on a comic book introducing our new open source browser, Google Chrome. We will be launching the beta version of Google Chrome tomorrow in more than 100 countries. >>

googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

(Added an update to the post.)

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

First beta version only for Windows :(

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ah looks like it will be Windows only to start with :(

<<This is just the beginning – Google Chrome is far from done. We're releasing this beta for Windows to start the broader discussion and hear from you as quickly as possible. We're hard at work building versions for Mac and Linux too, and will continue to make it even faster and more robust.>>
googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

Looks like I'll be booting Vista tomorrow then (or Wednesday or when ever they release it)

Sebastian [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

as long as they don't port firebug i will never leave firefox.
That's just the best software invented since the web itself.

Laszlo Oslo [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Let me be the first to come out in favor of the menu-less, titlebar-less, statusbar-less, "tabs above location bar" design.

First with the menu bars. They take up space. Not only that, but vertical space. It's most natural for us to read narrow columns of text, which makes taller pages faster and more comfortable for us to read. Even worse, we're now commonly accessing the web on smaller screens like phones, internet tablets and netbooks like the Eee PC I'm using as I write this.

While menubar location is consistent across most applications, on a browser most people won't use it that much compared to apps like Excel, Photoshop, etc. If you can remember the most basic keyboard shortcuts, you just about never need it. For me, I use the Hide Menubar extension so I can toggle it on and off with the Alt button. I've also dragged my bookmarks up onto it, so I can quickly access everything without sacrificing reading space. A small "Menu" button could do the same thing, stretching out when clicked, but shrinking when not in use.

I also like how they've dispensed with the top title bar. This just duplicates information in the tab titles while taking up more vertical space. Like Firefox, you can handle it by displaying the full title when hovering over a tab.They might need to include the familiar min/max/close buttons to reassure users, but this is a good idea.

Furthering this idea, you'll notice there's no lower Status Bar either. This could easily be replaced by displaying the link target as a pop-up infobox as Opera does. It makes a lot more sense to boot. Why should you have to look away from where you're going to click to see where it will take you?

With just a tab-sized group of buttons menu/min/max/close, possibly floating style, like the new tab button (+) in the comic, you've freed up dozens of pixels of vertical viewing room.

Forced scrolling is evil.
Don't be evil.

Nikita Kondraskov [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

This new browser looks like Opera in the early stages.
I think Google could just buy Opera.com, instead of making a copy.

Colin Colehour [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Interesting early announcement. So do you think the browser available in the Android OS will be Chrome Mobile? We already know it will be based on webkit.

Some questions to ponder though:

Do we REALLY need another browser?

What major features will this browser have that we can't get in any of the other more mature browsers currently available?

Does this cause an issue for Eric Schmidt and his seat on the Apple Board? Apple now has Safari for both Windows and Mac and its a webkit based Browser. Google is now jumping in with its own browser and what kind of waves will it make in regards to relations with Apple?

Lastly, Has anyone seen any strange webkit User Agent strings in their web logs that would point to this new browser?

Ramibotros [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Exactly. Just buy Opera and open-source it. A lot of the features are similar.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Laszlo, I wonder though if they support a tab-less option. For instance, I always turn off browser tabs as I'm already using the Windows task bar "tabs", which work consistent across all apps (and I hide the task bar, so it also saves space).

LINUX [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I hope the linux version of this browser is released with all the other os releases.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I'm sure the features and the UI are similar to Opera but the underlying architecture is something completely different. UIs are probably the easiest part of the browser to code, so buying Opera wouldn't have made sense as they'd have to rebuild it from scratch.

Eitan Adler [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

This is basically the OP web browser design (see IEEE security & privacy 2008) brought to life.

ahab [PersonRank 5]

5 years ago #

See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_C ...

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Can I get GDrive along with this, too?

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Matt Cutts' post:

mattcutts.com/blog/google-chro ...

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Well I am quite thrilled.
Its 3:30 am in Indian and most Google lovers were just woken up by this sudden news in the middle of night!!! thats the kind of Aura Google generates.
Though most of our population is still stuck with the older version ofInternet explorer and without the knowledge of existence of Tabbed Browsing, it will be a welcome change from the Tabbed browsing (same in IE, FF..)

Google found an innovative idea and launched it innovative manner(the comic)
   I may even expect some linux and mac users to install Windows OS just to check the new version!!!!

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

and by the way its already tomorrow in india (ie sept 2nd)
so i am waiting for the beta version!!

John O'Connell [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Well, it is believable, for their 404 is different from their other ones for that page :/

Justin White [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Dude, I am telling you now, one day Google is going to rule the world! Period.

[Removed signature – Tony]

Anon [PersonRank 7]

5 years ago #

Great, another project from Google that will lie in perpetual beta like all of their other projects. Gee, will it have built-in ads too?

gary price [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Btw GoogleChrome.com, .org and .net were registered in the past month or so by a domain proxy service. Likely will have registration and name server switched to Google sometime in the next couple of days.

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

dunno abt Google ruling the world but its ruling the Internet (almost equal to ruling world)
guess next will be their Operating system for computers or even new computers?!?!?....who knows...
they surely dont know abt STOP AND REST thingy.....

Hemant
the-techie.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

Tom McDonald [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Lots of us are asking about Linux... but the real question is, will it be available on Linux *without Wine*?

Laszlo Oslo [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Philipp, I don't see a tab-less mode being as likely given the placement of the new tab "+" to the right of the tabs. The comic may just be a simplification of things,, but since it's being released today, I doubt the current layout varies much from what McCloud's drawn for us.

As for using the OS taskbar to display title info, for myself and most people I see using computers, that wouldn't work very well. With multiple programs, shortcuts and system tray icons already hogging so much taskbar space, any tab-happy user would quickly run out of room to read any titles. I'm staring at a string of favicons as it is.

Plus, with no titlebar, the tab serves to move the window, double-click to minimize, etc. Nevertheless, I'm sure tab-less mode would be an option, just not the default as it wouldn't serve the usage habits of most people.

The more I look at the tabs on top layout, the more I like it. Unlike Opera, they're really on top, which makes me want to reorder them, rip them apart into standalone windows and stack them again as need be. the design makes this the obvious thing to try, while clearly marking the active tab in a way that FF's default themes never did for me.

Jesus Rivera [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

And news in the Official Google Blog googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

millizombie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

please, I need vertical tabs which can be controled by wheels.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> any tab-happy user would quickly run out of room to read any titles

Not necessarily... when you put the task bar to the left hand side. Well, that's what I do. On the left side, the titles take away much less space as opposed to a horizontal layout. Of course, it's just one mode of browsing, depends on taste I guess...

bd_ [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I've created a torrent with a copy of these scans, for those who can't wait for the server to recover, or for google to post an official copy: thepiratebay.org/torrent/43741 ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Google posted an official copy of the comic just now, adding an update to their blog post:

books.google.com/books?id=8Usq ...

And here's the Google Chrome service logo which Tony saw at Google Books just now:
books.google.com/pagead/imgad? ...

Ramibotros [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ok .. just read the things. It's no new Opera. Some interface changes are similar, but the architecture is really different and necessary.

Momus [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

A mix of good with bad.
The good has been of course pointed out by Google and others, and it does look good, but the bad was only hinted at:

1. It seems that Google wants to control the privacy of the browsing to suck out as much as possible from targeted adds. We will see if some good privacy plug-ins will show up and work with the new browser.

2. Yet another browser diluting the free software community. After all these years there is still not a single browser/editor that supports well the MathML and SCV standards. There is Opera of course, but it is so buggy with MathML as to make it unusable.

3. Change to standard/custom user interface should be made only if they truly provide superior features, or the old one collides with new important features.

Moving Tabs to the top seems like some Chrome designer's private preference, and screw everybody else

4. The name Chrome. An unnecessary grab of name which has already an established meaning in the browser development community. Introduces unnecessary confusion. Bad style!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Paul Thurrott has screenshots, not sure yet how he got them:

community.winsupersite.com/blo ...


winsupersite.com/images/blog/g ...

Uval [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I found the download page :
gears.google.com/chrome/

Zim [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Yep. And there'll be a video:

+ Show video



[put at-character here]Philipp: the screenshot is from here:
gears.google.com/chrome/intl/e ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

(Added a 2nd update.)

Zim [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

update: there are many videos in that page, showcasing every aspect of the browser.

The code for downloading is not available, there's a javascript missing.
The URL may be made with this two strings
/update2/installers/ChromeSetup.exe
and it should start with
dl.google.com
But if you join them they don't work right now.

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

DOWNLOAD button does not work

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

very interesting.. Im not sure if it is good news or not so good news. can't wait to try it tomorrow...

from Google blog: "So check in again tomorrow to try Google Chrome for yourself. We'll post an update here as soon as it's ready..."

a [PersonRank 2]

5 years ago #

this is mad, Google should put the damn thing up for download allready, i wanna see it work :)

Sergio de la Garza [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

What no mac version for tomorrow??? :(

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

As it's 1:47am in Germany..I am wondering with PL will finally collapse.

[PS]
gears.google.com/chrome/?hl=en

the download button now redirects to google.com.

Laszlo Oslo [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I might also go with a sidebar if I had more horizontal resolution, Philipp. It makes a lot more sense in my view to have the taskbar there instead of on bottom. I did this on my Ubuntu box, and it narrowed the browser text from too short and too wide to just right for reading. Especially with so many new monitors being widescreen now it makes more sense than ever. Or maybe manufacturers will go even wider and a two-page view will become common for many programs--like multi-monitor support options for one screen.

Unfortunately, virtually nobody currently has this setup. The Windows taskbar, OS X dock and most Linux distros all follow the same basic bottom-bar design and 95% of people will never think to customize it to what suites them better.

Leandro Ardissone [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Ok, it's redirecting to Google homepage now.

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]JoshuaJenkins:

>>All the premature hate in here is awesome! Good work guys! >>Seriously though, this is fantastic to hear and I'm looking forward to >>giving it a try when it's released.

What do you mean, premature? Google has denied, again and again and again that they are working on a browser. They've said no way, no how, no ever. We don't do browsers. We're not working on one.

And yet, here they are, with a browser.

So is it premature to hate it, when someone has lied to you, over and over? I for one feel deceived. And I don't like feeling deceived. I don't hate the browser. I hate the lies around the browser.

What if we all did the following: Since Google promised that they were NOT working on a browser, what if we all just took them at their work, and pretended like they never released a browser? What if we held them to their honor, and all of us collectively decided simply NOT to download, NOT to install, NOT to use this browser? If they're going to lie to us about the existence of a browser project, we should just help them perpetuate that lie, by pretending the browser doesn't exist.

Otherwise, they are just playing us for dupes, and are going to lie to us again if we just suck it up every time.

It's like an abused spouse that never leaves. Some day, we're going to have to stand up for ourselves and let 'em know that we're not going to take the lies anymore.

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I like the look but the close/minimise/maximise buttons add yet more inconsistencies to windows programs...sigh

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

s/"took them at their work"/"took them at their word"/g

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

James, isn't that just the Vista way?

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

yes but they are usually transparent/aero effect, these are the same shape but blue. I like them, i think it's gorgeous, but it's also why i'm switching to mac this month. Inconsistencies drive me mad.

Hurix [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

so you'r inconsistent in the choice of your system in result?

VB [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Ahh, so all Apple has to do to get more people to switch to the Mac is continue using the non-standard chrome in iTunes (and here I was wondering why they would do such a stupid thing)!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Added a new update/ post with more screenshots:
blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-0 ...

BotMan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

triaks, you are just being childish. I read the comic and their ideas are great, I just hope it can actually live up to all those dreams.

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]VB

What do you mean exactly...

Can't wait to test this out, but when is it for mac, if they plan to take market share, they should have launched all systems at the same time. How long has this been in development...

[put at-character here]Tony, here is what I mean


img58.imageshack.us/img58/944/ ...

Laszlo Oslo [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Got to see their Chrome privacy policy before they started redirecting to their home page. Unsurprisingly, they're sensitive to the huge privacy implications with this and give assurances that "you will always have the option to use the browser in a way that does not send any personal information to Google or to discontinue using it."

You'll be able to turn off auto-suggest and sending of typos in the location bar to Google for suggestions. For malware sites they hash the addresses before sending, so won't be able to know what websites you're visiting if you use that.

Their EULA is a bit less reassuring though. Says they can use entered info for advertising through the service and changes to the agreement can be made by them at any time without notice.

VB [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]James
I meant on Windows (iTunes on Windows uses non-standard chrome, just like Safari on Windows).

Hibnd [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Opera is the best web browser. Opera is free, Opera is the most faster of all and Opera is very simple to operate.

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]BotMan: "triaks, you are just being childish. I read the comic"

Great line, dude. Comic books? And I'm the one being childish?

Wait, let me apologize, for calling you childish. I am not trying to start a slanging match. Please forgive me.

But in all seriousness, I don't treat this issue lightly. This is not just about Google's lies around the browser. This has to do with their whole obfuscation around their entire strategy. They continually claim to be a company that spends 70% of its time on search, and only 30% of its time on side projects like Gbrowser, GChat, GCalendar, etc.

And yet there is so much more continual product release around browsers, chat, calendars, etc. and with the exception of some minor parameter tweaks here and there, not much is happening in search, at all.

Google is losing its focus. And that upsets me. I don't want another browser. I don't need another browser. And I certainly don't want one from Google. What I want from Google is more innovation around search. And I haven't seen much of that for a very long time now.

So is it childish to get upset when one sees a company that makes certain promises, and then never delivers on them, only to switch to and waste their time with other, irrelevant projects?

handan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Google releases Google Chrome beta tomorrow in 100 countries and people like it, but they like Firefox 3 more, which they've been using most of the year.

[signature removed]

[Quote from pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2329 ... ?]

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ionut in his public notebook got some bits which look like caches of the pages that were put up at the Gears URL earlier:

google.com/notebook/public/100 ...

There's the Google Chrome Privacy Notice, and also a webmaster FAQ. This is going to be the user agent string of Chrome according to that notebook cache:
   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.X.Y.Z Safari/525.13.

There's also information on how to define a shortcut title when users create a desktop link to a web app (in this case, "Gmail" being the shortcut name):
   <meta name="application-name" content="Gmail"/>

thatguy [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Man oh man...good luck Google...you're gonna need it...

Nice try though...world domination doesn't come that easily, however.

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I haven't finished reading the comic book, myself, but already on the first page it seems incredibly misguided. One character says, "People are watching and uploading videos, chatting with each other, playing web-based games...all these things that didn't exist when the first browsers were created."

Google seriously needs a history lesson. People were watching and uploading videos BEFORE the first web browsers were created.. see "Usenet newsgroups". People were chatting with each other BEFORE the first web browsers were created.. see "Internet Relay Chat (IRC)". And by tautological definition, people were not playing "web" based games before the first "web" browsers were created. But they were playing "internet" based games before the first "web" browsers were created. Has Google never heard of a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon)?

Google is trying to incrementally re-solve problems that have had solutions for 30 years. Instead of really taking the next big leap forward in search. Is it childish to be upset about that?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Om Malik got some statements on this John Lilly, CEO of Mozilla Corp.:
gigaom.com/2008/09/01/mozilla- ...

Mzs [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Triaks [personal attack removed] They were talking about WEB-BASED, BROWSER-BASED video, or games, that were unsupported on Mosaic, “when the web browser was created”. The browser wasn’t created to show videos, play games, use ajax-based instant messaging. It’s was create just for formatting academic texts. You know that. That is what Google is talking about. [personal attack removed]

TiraSue [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Using Opera most of the time – if not Maxthon. Speed Dials limited to nine in Opera but in Maxthon you can have as many you like. I dont know what is the big deal for tabs to be on top – i prefer my tabs at the bottom, i feel the tabs are nearer to my mouse pointer: Opera and Maxthon provide the option to do just that. If i have my way as a plain user i prefer everything on the right side; the pulldown menu etc as i am righthand-sided – i think only Maxthon gives the option to do this. I use Opera most of the time because i am too lazy to read – i can let Opera read the text to me. i also like the mouse gestures in Opera and Maxthon.

So i hope this new browser will have all the above with its new engine or whatever they call it – give more option for user to customise where to put the tabs and menu – i prefer mine on the right and the bottom.

macbeach [PersonRank 6]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]triaks

"People are watching and uploading videos, chatting with each other, playing web-based games...all these things that didn't exist when the first browsers were created."

I think you are the one that needs a history lesson. The "INTERNET" was not called the "WEB" until there were WEB Browsers to browse it. so by definition the above statement is true.

While malware can be distributed y a wide variety of means (bootable floppy disks for example), the vast majority of it is distributed via either the web, or e-mail these days. If you are a user of Gmail and other Google services, you are of course doing almost everything using a web browser.

I have Open Office instead of Microsoft's Office. I also have a local PDF reader instead of Acrobat. But for the most part these are optional products for me as I can now do all that stuff using a web browser. Why do you feel threatened by that? Do you work at Microsoft?

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Philipp;

PC @ Googleplex @ 11am PT on Tuesday

Archeologist [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Dugg! digg.com/software/Screenshots_ ...

Joseph Shmoseph [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #


You can't trust Google to secure your privacy. _'nuff said

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]macbeach. I am well aware of the difference between "web" and "internet". That is my whole point. You say:

'The "INTERNET" was not called the "WEB" until there were WEB Browsers to browse it.'

While the term "The Web" did not exist until the first WWW browser, it is absolutely, 100% untrue that the internet started being called the web once the browser was created. Which is what you say. You say that the internet wasn't called the web, until the web browser was created! The internet is NOT called the web! Even today! The internet is still the internet ("TCP/IP"), and the web is an application layer built on top of the internet ("HTTP"). Even to this day. TCP/IP!= HTTP, don't you know that?

What you should have correctly said, instead, was: "The "INTERNET" did not contain an APPLICATION called the "WEB" until there were WEB Browsers to browse it. And even today, the WEB is just one of many applications running on top of the INTERNET. And many of these other applications that run on top of the INTERNET, rather than on top of the WEB, allow users to chat, watch video, and play games."

So let's back up for moment and read again what the Google comic says. It says "Wouldn't it be great, then, to start from scratch...and design something based on the needs of...today's users?"

And what are the needs of today's users? The needs of today's users are to share video, to chat, and to play video games.

Does the user care of the video, chat, or game runs on HTTP, or if it runs directly over TCP/IP? No. From a user need perspective, the user does not care. The user just wants to play the game, to chat, or to watch the video.

So if Google really wants to start from scratch, what it needs to do is realize that the ability to play games, watch video, chat and.. dare I say it, read text, have always been a part of the internet. They have always been application-layer .. applications!

So instead of trying to CRAM off those various applications into something that was built for text, Google needs to realize that to start from scratch and serve the needs of USERS, rather than the needs of WEB BROWSERS, it should just create internet-enabled applications. Rather than more WEB BROWSERS.

To a certain extent, Google knows this. That's why things like Google Earth are written as applications, rather than web pages inside of an application. And this is also why a Google Browser makes no sense, from a user perspective. The users can already get whatever internet-enabled applications that they need, to do video, chatting, etc.

A Google browser is not really starting from scratch. No. Instead, it is an attempt to control the distribution channel of applications to the end user. A Google browser has nothing to do with actually serving the internet-enabled application needs of computer users.

I can see why me saying things like this make you believe that I am from Microsoft. I am not. Nor do I have any particular love for microsoft. I run Linux. I've got a 32-core linux cluster, actually. I also run open office. But hey, I also have one computer that runs windows. And I also have two macs! I use safari, IE, firefox, etc. I use it ALL. But I am not pro-MS, nor am I anti-MS. I am also not pro- or anti- Apple, or pro- or anti-Google. I'm just someone that enjoys computers. Period.

And I dislike ANY company, Microsoft included, that tries to force users into a single distribution channel for software. That's why I dislike the idea of this browser. It's more of a channel play than it is an end-user serving play.

If it were about starting from scratch, and the company that I think is doing it absolutely the right way is VMWare, with their virtualization technology. Why try and run full-strength applications inside a little box that was made for viewing text, when you can run entire, full-strength applications, with access to drivers, graphics acceleration hardware, etc. inside of a virtual layer to your operating system? To me, that's how I want to run my video games, chat clients, and video watching applications. Not inside a "web" browser.

Adam [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I like Page 3... www.WTF??.com

hahahahah

David Mulder [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I haven't read all comments, but I was wondering whether google wouldn't only release this, purely to have more influence on web standards.

[put at-character here]triaks: the huge advantage of web based applications is that they are running server side, no hassle with different versions, everywhere accessable.

Nirmal [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Opera: Universe in a browser
--------------------------------------
Has tabs above address bar.
Has speed dial.
Completely customizable (without third party plugins or extensions)
Stores cookies and history in single encrypted files (i.e., each cookie is a sentence within a file).
Most secure, fastest and lightest even with 10 tabs.
Fully compatible with W3 standards.
Best user-friendly browsing experience.
Much more, please try it before even talking about browsers.

Thank you.

kevin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I welcome Chrome, I'm tired of Firefox hogging all my CPU to handle Javascript.

Also, another reason they are releasing this browser is to spread Google Gears and to bring their online suite to the Desktop.

beussery [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Incognito mode is cool but I wonder what privacy folks will say about Chrome recording "snapshots of most pages your visit"?

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Let me restate what I said above:

"Why try and run half-strength, single language (javascript only) applications inside a little box that was made for viewing text, when you can run entire, full-strength applications, written in any language and with any compiler, interpreter, or library, with access to drivers, graphics acceleration hardware, etc. inside of a virtual layer to your operating system?"

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Mulder: This is an age-old debate about putting the intelligence into the network, vs. putting the intelligence into the end-points of the network.

The phone system puts the intelligence into the network, and uses "dumb" terminals.

The internet's big breakthrough was putting the intelligence into the end-points, with a "dumb" network.

Running applications server side seems like a misguided return to the idea of smart network, dumb terminals.

But I completely accept that not all agree with me. Flame away. Which is why my main point, what started this whole [personal attack removed]-fest, is still the fact that, by playing with these sorts of things, Google is losing (has lost?) its focus on search. If Google ever comes up with a compelling use of javascript inside of its search results page, letting me reorder things based on dynamic relevance feedback, browse results in 3d, or use a fancy UI tool to specify semantic linkings between different results, then MAYBE I would accept that we need a whole new browser redesign to accommodate all this stuff. But Google doesn't do any of that in their search. So who cares? So what if GoogleChat isn't as optimized as it could be?

Google is search. All I want Google for is search.

Bill Petro [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

The browser is the operating system.

shiruba [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I am confused as the bickering. Google is search? sure. All you want google for is search? Well ok, fine, but for example, have you never used editgrid? Any other online "applications"? Have you never been frustrated that some aren't as fast as they could be? or that the whole browser crashes occasionally, taking 10 tabs with it, etc. ?

Sure, some things are much better off being done natively, but what's being done with Javascript is increasing every day, and for good reason. Ease (lack) of installation.

Having a browser that's better at running more complex pages and more stable is a good thing by any measure. Does it mean I'll never use Excel again, probably not – but it would certainly make my life easier. Firefox and opera may be better than IE, but Google has certainly made major improvements.

Google basically releases a gift as open source, and people find a reason to complain about it. Do they have some selfish motives, of course, every business does.

As for the tabs being on top or bottom, that's about the least important change they have made.

David Mulder [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Something we HAVE TO accept that google is primary about advertising, not about search and not about all the apps they have created.

Aside from that I am mainly a web developer, even though I know a few normal languages as well, so if google can push through a few new standards, I don't mind. Personally I have been a huge fan of thin clients, so I guess I prefer dumb terminals and strong servers, instead of strong terminals and mediocre servers. Overall I guess less power is wasted using dumb terminals.

Just a small note adding to the big browser war, firefox 3.1 has JIT support and makes its javascript engine far superior to all other browsers. You can already try it out now using the firefox nightly so its not a myth. (about:config, search for jit in firefox nightly)

Philip Yook [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Some of these features were in the operating system of the Children's laptop (OLPC / XO / $100 laptop) – having separate processes and sandboxing.
video.google.com/videoplay?doc ...

max [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

check screenshot 4, the small window title bar says "Google Gears", and it's asking to create shortcuts for google calendar. Does it mean that we'll see google calendar, and probably gmail, OFFLINE versions tomorrow???!!!

Zim [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]triak: read a bit more (and think why Google is doing this..)

[put at-character here]max: You are talking about three diferent things here. Chrome'll be available for us today/tomorrow.
Second, Google Gears. It was developed, hosted and pulled by Google but it's available for the whole community. It's not exactly "from Google". In third place, the google applications: some of them don't have 'offline versions' ready, and unless a miracle happens, they won't be ready tomorrow (remember it's not a good idea to try more than one thing at a time when you are developing).

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

>>Any other online "applications"? Have you never been frustrated that some aren't as fast as they could be? or that the whole browser crashes occasionally, taking 10 tabs with it, etc. ?

No, I've not used them, because I prefer OpenOffice. I prefer the full power and more usable interface of a native app.

>>Sure, some things are much better off being done natively, but what's being done with Javascript is increasing every day, and for good reason. Ease (lack) of installation.

Walk with me for a minute through a land of imagination. Imagine that the operating system itself was capable of sandboxing every single application that you installed and/or ran on it. Any changes to your (ugh! windows!) registry would be "virtual" changes, and would not actually corrupt or modify or read improper data in your underlying system. You could uninstall any program simply by deleting the virtual layer in which that program was installed. You could control access between virtual layers, so that you could even *purposely* install any piece of spyware or virus, and it wouldn't have access to, and couldn't touch, your "safe" layers, where all your personal data resides.

Basically, the operating system is the browser! (*Not* the browser is the operating system!) But this operating system is not your standard operating system. It is an operating system in which it is as easy to *natively* install and uninstall any application, with no repercussions, as it is to click a web link. In fact, if done properly, you could even have the operating system itself "install" a whole program inside of a new virtual layer, by clicking any INTERNET (rather than WEB) link. And the moment you navigated away from that link, the program could disappear again!

Now, do you want to only be able to run software that was written in javascript? Or do you want to full power of a (virtualized) desktop environment?

Frankly, I want the latter. Both as a coder and as a user. And companies working on OS virtualization, like VMWare, are much more interesting than yet another browser running only sandboxed javascript. (Disclaimer: I do NOT work for VMWare, either.)

>>Google basically releases a gift as open source, and people find a reason to complain about it.

I complain, because it perpetuates a broken model of the internet. Not only a broken model of the web. A broken model of the internet. It continues to try and fit application-layer programming like games and video and chat into a same-OSI-layer protocol (HTTP). Instead of letting them run free, however the smart terminal wants to deal with them, calling any protocol running on the INTERNET (on TCP/IP, or on UDP/IP if you prefer).

And they want to perpetuate this model because it serves their advertising goals, as Mulder reminds us.

So as an end user, why should I care how much advertising money Google makes? I'd rather have better software, running in better environments. And I think this new browser is taking us down the wrong path.

>>Personally I have been a huge fan of thin clients, so I guess I prefer dumb terminals and strong servers, instead of strong terminals and mediocre servers. Overall I guess less power is wasted using dumb terminals.

I respect your personal preference. But, could I ask you to elaborate on why you say that power consumption really that much less using dumb terminals? I personally don't know if it is or if it isn't; I just can't imagine that it is. Google's servers, even with sleep/wake modes, have to run 24/7, whether or not someone is using them. I shut off my computer completely when I'm not using it.

Tony Henaser [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Looks like Opera rip-off to me guys....

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Zim: Ok, I've finished reading, and I get it. Sandboxing, virtualization, etc.

I've basically been saying a very similar thing for years (the need for sandboxing, virtualization, etc.), but at the OS level, rather than at the browser level.

With OS-level virtualization, there would be no need for Gears, for javascript, or any other single language. Whether or not that language or code is open or closed. Because with the virtualized OS, rather than a virtualized browser, you are not limited to any one programming language. And you don't have to go out and install any new plugin. Because of sandboxing, the OS itself is (would be) capable of transparently (effortlessly, seamlessly and safely) downloading and running whatever native code you want.

I still think the browser model is extremely limited. I agree with the principles, but not with the execution. I'd still rather see Google stick to search, and not to stuff like this.

And it's still very, very silly to me to try to squeeze games, chat, and video over HTTP, instead of over other OSI application-layer protocols that speak directly to TCP/IP in a data-specific, protocol specific, optimized manner.

Bernard Moon [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Yeah, I've seen it in action. I think the Google Chrome team did a kickass job. It's lightning fast.

bernardmoon.blogspot.com/2008/ ...

Zim [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]triaks: The browser is turning into something more useful for developers. About ten years ago, javascript was used only for silly small things (little form authentication, "welcome visitor" alerts, etc). Now we have huge web applications.
I think we all have some ideas about the future some years befores, and we frustrate when they don't come the way we expect. IMHO your idea is not wrong, but we need to face things from the other side. Instead of applications running in your computer, you could see your computer as an interface/data storage for applications that live mainly on internet. Don't think about just now, think how technlogy will be in some years. Broadband connections are becoming more and more accesible and faster. It's not crazy to think about your desktop and information living -at least partially- in "the cloud".
Once there, yes, we will need to have something like what you say. It's redundant to have an operating system with no native connectivity and to run inside it a browser to execute applications (which are running inside the browser).
Chrome, Prism, and AIR are some examples of what is being done to start this movement towards a enhanced system focused on the web.
With time it'll eventually come something new to enable us to do what you said, run those applications using virtualization.
Finally, I don't have idea about how optimized are the communications through the different protocols and the impact of this. However, I'm sure we are in the wrong place right now (packets are not efficient, since -for example- we do a lot of streaming and the same packet is being sent n times to n users, and they could be sent only once to be grabbed "from the air" as many times as needed -sorry if the idea is confussing-).

bit [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Nothing is for free. Google is giving away this project as open source because they want a good excuse to track users from the chrome level, and they have seen how careless people are about their privacy.

david [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

google's site lists google chrome download as the #1 search result, but clicking it only returns to google.com.

i hope they release it soon. i'd love to have a look.

rifft [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]bit

The project is open source, that is you can get the source, go over it line by line and convince yourself that there is no tracking code, or alternatively find it, remove it and recompile (this is not practical for most users, but projects would spring up to support this). The alternative, for those who love Opera or IE out there (and Opera is a great browser, mouse-gestures changed browsing forever for me) but for the sake of argument these are closed source browsers, where no one other than the companies themselves can ever legally look at, or audit the code. So for all of those people who complain that Google is release a browser just to collect your data, can continue to provide your data to Microsoft, Opera or Apple at from your proprietary code base that you will never be able to see.

[put at-character here]triaks

In regard to thin client vs. phat client, see what I did there... just kidding but kidding aside, a serious amount of computing history was realized through the use of these dumb 'terms.' And frankly Microsoft still hasn't gotten that part of the operating system right. But in terms of virtualisation, why would I want to run a whole bunch of OSes just do accomplish a single task. In my mind, the user experience is far more consistent when we have a single framework to accomplish our goals. In this context, I think that using things like VMWare (or the open source alternatives) is far more relevant for building server architecture, not for the average desktop user.

Additionally, having a client means that that client must be installed everywhere for a user to accomplish a given task *and* the data must be available to that client. Given the OS/Computer/Hardware/Software diversity of the general computing ecosystem, having all relevant clients universally available then becomes impractical. So when I don't have my crackberry with me and I need to get my email at an internet cafe. I'm not going to load Outlook, Eudora or Thunderbird. I'm gonna pop open *some* web-browser and load the webmail client.

See I think the great thing about the internet, is that accidentally, everyone almost agreed on a set of standards, well at least HTML and HTTP and lately CSS and Javascript are beginning to converge (anyone remember the Netscape/Microsoft browser wars). Which allowed for a cross platform universal method of dynamic information exchange, and really as a user I don't care what security layer, or what kind of novel infrastructure is available to the OS. I want to check my email, right now.

Because of this happy accident we as people have the ability to become less burdened by need to organize information and make sure that we carry what we need. Using a browser as a gateway to an application makes it easier for us to get the information we need wherever we are.

So to conclude my rant of poor grammar etc. I think to say that: "it's stupid to rework a browser from scratch to fit the need of today's web based applications and security needs" and instead move "to a more interesting application based system with a complex security model" is a little bit idealistic. It is like saying: "let's dump this amazing thing that happen and try something completely different."

I think for once, a huge mega corporation did something that approached the greater good, rather then simply maximizing profit on all fronts.

Then again, I might be to naive.

traurekun [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

2bit:
Google is giving away this project as open source because they had to. man gpl, man webkit.
They could have chosen gecko/khtml ofcourse, but still they are free software.

Jim [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Where to download?

Zoltan Petrasovits [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Varun.

I take one with you totally, this may be expressed in me that single new Google joke for the media? :) (possible)

In as much on the other hand true the wrote down, rather promising the recognized data hereby: the windows running in the dubbing the exemption of a load cooks really question.

On this market where there are innumerable browsers already conceivable Google experiment onto the acquisition of an additional area.

Let us see it in the practice: What Google product turning up already in a theory knows the Google browser!

David Mulder [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]triaks: what I meant with prefering thin clients and strong servers because of power is that nowadays most people tend to have overpowered computers without using its full power, purely as a developer I would probably prefer the model you purpose, except that its simply unnecassary. And actually wouldn't it be far better if there is one (or rather three or four) – perfect in time – languages instead of hunderds of programming languages, each with its advantages and disadvantages. Take for example the asus eee pc, nearly everything I want to do is possible on it and if I wouldn't want to use some IDE's for client side languages I wouldn't need anything outside such an umpc. If one would use the model you purpose I assume the asus eee pc would be totally worthless.

PS. If you make several user accounts on linux and each user account has access to the directory of a single application and you run the different accounts simutiously you would actually get sandboxed applications... right...

Andy M [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I really hope they can pull this off, the comic itself is a work of art! and the browser certainly sounds intriguing. Hopefully it will render my favourite sites properly! Bye!

[URL removed – Tony]

Martin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I am waiting. Martin, Czech Republic. =)

Paul [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Will they only release it after today's press conference?

Chris L [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

What I would like is the ability to CHOOSE whether a tab will open in a new process. For example, if I am loading/testing a Flash app which is likely to crash, I could do it in the same browser window but with a new process. But if I also have four or five simple text pages in other tabs, there is no need for a separate process for each one.

However I guess most users won't notice OR understand the difference. Maybe the code would be become too complicated too. Thoughts?

Lyubo [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

So, I have a big problem here. What's happening to the traffic limitation due to the firewalls? Do everyone of these processes want connection to the internet, or there is a main process, that is responsible for the traffic, because if every process is going to want access for the internet – there's a big headache in front of us – no hash check, no remembering and the firewall's rules are meaningless.

photoactive [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

It sounds so amazing it's even going to make me go back to using MS Windows . . . until they release the Linux version, of course.

[Anonymous] [PersonRank 4]

5 years ago #

It's sound Like Google it's going to keep kicking Microsoft's ass. And it will hurt. Google is the man!

Prashant [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Google's got in to the browser market too late. With a copy-paste browser like Chrome many people will stay loyal to Firefox.

timothy [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

or opera

Venkatraman [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I feel Google is targetting Microsoft,first Android ofr Mobile and now Open Source Web Borwser.Lets see if goole emerges as a winner in the coming years.

Roger Browne [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

“We are not building a browser,” Mr Schmidt said.

Source: Financial Times, October 24 2004
ft.com/cms/s/0/3d077db6-25ff-1 ...

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Asked if Google would consider developing its own browser, as has been speculated for some time, Chief Executive Eric Schmidt said, "We would only do so...if we thought there was a real user benefit."

Source: CNET News, May 31 2006
news.cnet.com/2100-1032_3-6078 ...

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Bizarrely, the above CNET article was titled "Google: No Web browser plans". Based on Eric Schmidt's evasive reply, I would have titled it "Google Plans Web Browser but not ready to talk about it yet".

johan [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

If this browser has as much effect on Google's dominance as Google's ingenious toolbar did then Google stands to gain much from it.

thAAAnos [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

funny
google is attacking from
the Web -> the Browser -> the OS?
while microsoft
the OS -> the Browser -> the Web...

microsoft may have the lead, but it's products are catching up with things
google is showing up late in the game but it's products are showing the future.

curious how this will turn out...

Cookie Lee [PersonRank 9]

5 years ago #

Now www.googlebrowser.com lead you to an HTTP 403 Forbidden error message.

Javier Villarrubia [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Somebody seems to guess the name: googlechrome.com registered one month ago (and parked using Sedo)

Yagiz Erkan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

> Google's got in to the browser market too late.

Hmmm... I wouldn't bet on that.
If it's better, it'll be used.

Franz [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #


facesaerch.com/blog/wp-content ...


the real meaning of google chrome
and the comic as ebook [facesaerch.com/blog/download-google-chrome-comic-as-ebook-pdf/]

Chris Tregenza [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I was taken by the image for the Sad Tab so I created an icon.

poosk.com/2008/09/02/sad-tab/

Franz [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #


facesaerch.com/blog/wp-content ...


if inspiration strikes i might create some more here facesaerch.com/blog/download-g ...

ronan / Business Garden [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

For those interested in a complete presentation in French...

business-garden.com/index.php/ ...

apunto [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I have a question about this multi-threaded browser.
I wanted to post on Chrome's forum but I didn't find any...

Whouldn't it be a problem for all the web apps that use javascript, and expect it to be single-threaded??

Lets say you have a cpu intensive javascript function the process some king of information, meanwhile the browser is locked...

But if its multi-threaded, the broweser won't be locked, which means that it can invoke another function which probably doesn't take into count the data in the browser's context isn't thread-safe.

Maybe both function will work with the same global variables or object's properties and can mess things up.

I say this because probably most of complex javascript scripts will assume javascripts are single-threaded, and they will probably will stop working (or even worse, work with no integrity).

Isn't it safer to put javascript thread in only 1 thread, that way browser won't be blocked and new javascripts invocations could be pooled if js thread is busy??

Toxic Avenger [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Where can I download it?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Franz, just FYI, the CC licenses states:

<< No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work. >>

creativecommons.org/licenses/b ...

John [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

In other Google News:

New versions of Picasa and Picasa Web Albums are also due today:

news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-100 ...

laurent [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

what about Google Chrome and privacy ?

will Chrome have a privacy mode like IE 8 for cookies usage?
for the completion, Chrome will interact will Google infrastructure to propose words. will Google stores URLs visited by users of Chrome ?

what is the privacy policy associated with Chrome ?

Laurent

Niklas [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

> laurent

Read the Comic, there will be a privacy mode like in IE. :)

What do you mean by "privacy policy"? The source code will be available for everyone!

laurent [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #


will Google have access and store URLs visited by Chrome users ?

Laurent

Roger Browne [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

It's interesting how this story broke.

Half of page 45 of today's London Times newspaper is taken up with this story, credited (twice!) to Google Blogoscoped.

Interestingly, The Times says this story was "leaked by Google to a blog, Google Blogoscoped". This implies that they think Philipp got a leaked copy sent to him early. Maybe someone at Google thought it would be nice for Philipp to be able to break the story first.

Or was it really just a case of Google's USA staff assuming that their public holiday yesterday applies to the whole world?

Either way, well done Philipp! I often see stories from Blogoscoped reprinted in the computer or business pages of the UK papers, sometimes but not always with attribution.

ebpda9 [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Ummm, besides the V8 thing opera had all those features from about 3-4 years ago

Chris [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

some glimpses on what to come:
google.com/search?q=site:gears ...

photoactive [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

What I really want to know is whether there'll be a version of Browsersync built in: ie will I be able to get the same history and bookmarks from any computer running Chrome, if I give my Google Account credentials? I would find this fantastically useful, but I can see why Google might not build it in, or not to start with: it would make it look more like a company product and would alienate people who prefer not to use Google for anything other than search.

con lacsina [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Now where is that Chrome browser? This is the long-awaited from the troublesome IE. Please let me download it soon.

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]ebpda9 Well yes, but you'd hope so right? If Google released a new browser that didn't have *at least* the best features from Opera / Firefox / IE we'd be disappointed.

It's things like V8 and multi-process tabbing that are the big wins – everything else is just making sure we don't have to take a step backwards.

guga [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Uhm ... everyone gets with the hype ... I'll just wait and see.

guga [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

And when will google launch an OS ?

laurent [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

the browser IS the OS

laurent [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

because Apps are on the Web

Incauto [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

What about accesibility ?

Mediavrog [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Hi there,

i wrote an article on german after reading yours about Chrome.
mediavrog.net/blog/2008/09/02/ ...

If someone's interested in the comic until it's up again here, i mirrored it:
mediavrog.net/blog/2008/09/02/ ...

regards and thanks for your research,
Maik

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Tony
Guess that means no Portable Chrome :(Guess I'll still be using Portable Firefox at college :P

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Mrrix32: Why no portable chrome?

Brian [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Great post. My only complaint is that Google didn't credit Opera for that quick start feature, with all the webpages on the home screen.

That's an awesome concept, and I'm pretty sure Opera was the first to build it into a browser.

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Mrrix32
Someone posted a modified comic and Tony was simply quoting from the license that covers the comic, not the browser.

ian807 [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Open source code. Doesn't that make it easier for hackers?

Security: See above, and of course, we all trust Google, don't we?

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Oh, sorry. Hadn't checked what you where replying to, I thought you where referring to the browser.

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]ian807
People have open source operating systems, but there are far more viruses for Windows and Mac OS X, both of which are closed source.

While Open Source may make it easier for hackers to find bugs, it also means there is a chance a public community of developers will form and it means they will be able to find any bugs in the Browser and suggest fixes to Google.

Martyn P [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Oh dear. It looks like I might have to abandon Firefox and switch to Chrome. It looks amazing! I just hope there are some useful extensions to go with it.

Franta H. [PersonRank 6]

5 years ago #

Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 has every tab in its own process too.

Bill Wang [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I hope Chrome is compatible with Firefox extensions.

dunno [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

i don't get it, this is a remake of opera, there is nothing new, ok "every tab is a process", wich is ridiculous, nobody needs this

www.chrome.blox.pl [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

if one tab crashes then whole browser is down and you need to restart it, now all other tabs will be ok

Usman Bashir [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Its nice to see a new browser from Google but i have few reservations;
1. Most of the features are already in market place so real achievement of Google team would be to make it more stable, efficient etc , so i will be waiting for their comparisons. (for example, tab restart , privacy etc are available in IE8)
2. By Creating a new product (as many other commenter) said, it will create another division in open source community so it will not be a race between Open Source(Firefox) & Close Source (IE, Safari,Opera) but it will take a equal sapce of its own which will hurt the Firefox dominance.
  

Kirby Witmer [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

"Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 has every tab in its own process too."

yea, i'm not sure why google's making a big deal over that bit.

blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008 ...

reya276 [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

When will this be available for Ubuntu/Linux and why could it not be released on all platforms at the same time. And a more important question will it work good in Linux or will we get a half ass application.

scjm [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Btw, a front page story about Google Chrome in the Wall Street Journal mentioned Google Blogoscoped. On the front page. Above the fold.

Pretty neat.

John Smith [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

So where is the download or is this another game of Google?

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

"why could it not be released on all platforms at the same time"

Risk minimization. As a developer you'd be crazy to do your first release on multiple platforms unless you really had to.

WebFritzi [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

When I minimize my Firefox and do not use it for a while it happens that it takes one minute to be ready for input when I restore it again. This is annoying and I hope the Google browser will perform differently.

Graham [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

According to Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_c ...), there's a presentation at 18:00 UTC today. That's 15 minutes away (And I'll be on my way home). :(

Cron [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Webfritzi...

That's the first time I heard that remark about Firefox, I think it's not the rule but the exception...

I'm waiting for the hole day now until they release it god dammit!!!!

Reto Meier [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Graham: You've gone the wrong way on daylight savings – it's 2hrs away :)

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Graham
UTC is international coordination of Greenwich Mean Time and my timekeeping, we have two hours till 1800 GMT.

Victor [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Can't stress enough how the preview looks like Opera.

Timmy [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

darnit. 1 hour and 57 mins to go :(

Kirk M [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

WebFritz,

Firefox should respond instantly. Sounds like you have a problem there. I suggest you don't leave it minimized for too long a time. Just open another tab and shut down, it should ask you if you want to save your tabs, just click "Save and Quit" and your session will be restored. Just don't clear your private data when you shut down.

Google Chrome looks damn interesting and I'm looking forward to testing it.

drtimofey [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I smell something evil...

Huckle [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome is what I've been waiting a very long time for. This will spark new competition between the browsers, but with everything still working pretty well – Google has made sure it works with the majority of sites out there.

I can't believe some comments about the viability of another browser on the market. If you're happy with mediocre browsers which have, let's face it, got stuck in a fairly deep rut, then by all means have fun with that. We were all a little disappointed with FFx 3.0, and IE 8 looks like its going to be just a standards-compliant IE 7 ... We need CHANGE.

The Gears part of Chrome is the most exciting for me – if Mozilla use a similar concept we should start to see online applications truly working as applications should – seamlessly with the desktop. Also, I'd be interested to see how Google itself will integrate its own products and services into the browser.

Altogether bravo! Google, you've made my day and I can't wait to try it out tomorrow.

Kijof [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I just can't wait for the download links.

@#$%& [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

is it true?
googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006 ...
may be this is fake....I mean google browser is fake

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> Franz, just FYI, the CC licenses states:
>
> << No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform,
> or build upon this work. >>

Though if it's parody you may still get away with it under fair use... Not sure if it applies in this case, but just saying Creative Commons is not beyond fair use...

> Or was it really just a case of Google's USA staff
> assuming that their
> public holiday yesterday applies to the whole world?

I really wonder too exactly what happened. What a big surprise it was to get that package. I'm curious how many sources will report that it was in their mail today.

Wes [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

" If you're happy with mediocre browsers which have, let's face it, got stuck in a fairly deep rut, then by all means have fun with that. "

Try the newest Opera yet? Google chrome who?

Mhamed [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I Think that the only chance that google have to make the difference is to pass all the acid test from the beginning of the program.

None of the actual navigator can do it, so I think that the new navigator can be a first step on new generation of web that respect standards.

TestShoot [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Opera has many of these features and as we all know, if you have threads for each process running, it does not matter what the browser says, you still need to get the OS to kill it. This goes for apps from anyone, not just browsers. Can't tell you how many times I could not kill an Adobe process thread.

As a Web developer for 14 years a lot of MS hate comes from people wanting to be different, and different is not always better. It is like that kid with a dozen bumperstickers of horrible bands on his car. He claims to "get" something the masses don't, but will eat crow and call it a banquet rather than admit he's wrong.

I run 5 browsers daily (IE6/7, Safari, FFX and Opera) and have leanings towards Opera for most of my personal borwsing with IE7 bringing up the rear.

Congrats Google on trying to make a browser, but expect less than 25% of the market share by this time next year.

Alphawave [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Don't know about others, but I would like to choose where I want to display the Tab Bar. I prefer having it on the bottom of the screen, next to the Task Bar

Good luck, anyway!

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Zim:
>>The browser is turning into something more useful for developers. About ten years ago, javascript was used only for silly small things (little form authentication, "welcome visitor" alerts, etc). Now we have huge web applications.

Yes, javascript is becoming more powerful. But even if javascript is a full-powered, "Turing complete" programming language, my point is that not all *internet* development should *have* to be done by using javascript. I should just be able to write any sort of application that I want, in any language, and have it be *internet* enabled. The virtualized OS desktop model allows for this. The virtualized javascript hyperTEXT browser model does not.

>>I think we all have some ideas about the future some years befores, and we frustrate when they don't come the way we expect.

Well, the idea that I'm talking about, with virtualized OS internet apps, is not my idea. And I'm certainly not frustrated, because I believe that this approach is still coming, and will wipe out the hyperTEXT browser altogether. What I'm frustrated about is not with this idea, but with the amount of time that Google is wasting, when they should be doing search. Mulder, above, is right. This is not about making the *internet* (as opposed to the *web*) better. This about Google making sure their advertising $$$ keeps flowing.

>>IMHO your idea is not wrong, but we need to face things from the other side. Instead of applications running in your computer, you could see your computer as an interface/data storage for applications that live mainly on internet. Don't think about just now, think how technlogy will be in some years. Broadband connections are becoming more and more accesible and faster. It's not crazy to think about your desktop and information living -at least partially- in "the cloud".

Well, the thing about the virtualized desktop is that it does not preclude what you are saying! It is still entirely possible to have INTERNET apps that live in the INTERNET cloud, and just not be WEB apps. There is nothing about what you are saying that means it has to run inside a web browser.

[put at-character here]rifft:

>>But in terms of virtualisation, why would I want to run a whole bunch of OSes just do accomplish a single task. In my mind, the user experience is far more consistent when we have a single framework to accomplish our goals. In this context, I think that using things like VMWare (or the open source alternatives) is far more relevant for building server architecture, not for the average desktop user.

Rifft, I don't understand quite what you mean about having to run a whole bunch of OSes just to accomplish a single task. You would still only run one, single OS. It's just that the OS would have a model for installing, running, and uninstalling applications that put each application into a separate, sandboxed, safe layer. You would still write desktop applications the exact same way that you write them now. It's just that the OS itself would *install* and *run* your application inside a virtual "tab". Tabbed program installation and execution. And when you closed the tab, the whole program would uninstall, disappear, with no footprint. And one tab would not be able to maliciously affect another tab. To me, this is completely relevant to the average desktop user.

>>Additionally, having a client means that that client must be installed everywhere for a user to accomplish a given task *and* the data must be available to that client. Given the OS/Computer/Hardware/Software diversity of the general computing ecosystem, having all relevant clients universally available then becomes impractical.

Well, go up and read the 200+ comments above. You'll see a large number of people complaining "Oh, great. Yet another browser on which I need to test to make sure my code works as expected". My point is that even with web browsers installed on almost every desktop, there are still a large number of probematic, cross-browser compatibility issues. Google itself even has browser applications that run on Firefox on Windows, but not on Firefox on Mac. So given that these issues are already a problem, why not just write to Windows, Mac, and Linux directly? That is only 3 platforms that you have to deal with. Compared to web browsers, for which you have a dozen platforms.. Firefox on Mac, IE, linux, Safari on Mac, Safari in Windows, IE, Opera, Google Chrome on Windows, Google Chrome on Mac and Firefox (doesn't exist yet), etc.

Why not just write a native Mac, Windows, or Linux app? Once virtualization comes to those three platforms, it'll be just as "footprint-less" to install and run native internet-connected apps as it is for web-browser web apps. And the native ones will be much more powerful.

>>See I think the great thing about the internet, is that accidentally, everyone almost agreed on a set of standards, well at least HTML and HTTP

You make it sound as if there are no other standards on the internet other than HTTP. What about SMTP? Isn't that another application-layer standard, just like HTTP? And somehow it is possible to have email clients that run across all different sorts of platforms, some natively, some hacked/crammed into the web platform. The internet still has standards. It's just that not every single activity (games, chat, video) that runs over and through the *internet* (as opposed to the *web*) has to run over a hyperTEXT transfer protocol standard. To me, cramming everything through that narrow pinhole is a gross perversion of what standards and protocols are all about.

[put at-character here]Mulder:

>>what I meant with prefering thin clients and strong servers because of power is that nowadays most people tend to have overpowered computers without using its full power,

Thank you for clarifying :-)

>>And actually wouldn't it be far better if there is one (or rather three or four) – perfect in time – languages instead of hunderds of programming languages, each with its advantages and disadvantages.

No, I don't think it would be far better. The reason there is a proliferation of languages is that people invent new languages to (innovatively) do new types of things, easier, quicker and better. I don't think it's good policy to put a limit on the number of and types of languages out there. There are even some people in the programming language community that advocate the creation of new programming languages for every type of application that you want to develop. I don't fully grok that idea myself, but I'm certainly not going to stand in its way.

>>PS. If you make several user accounts on linux and each user account has access to the directory of a single application and you run the different accounts simutiously you would actually get sandboxed applications... right...

Well.. yeah.. I see what you're saying. But no, not really. Because to use each program you have to log out, and then log back in as a new user. And you ahve to remember your passwords for each account.

I'm talking about running each application in the same login account, just in OS/desktop "tabs". You would have not only a separate tab for every web page, but you would have a separate tab for World of Warcraft. And a separate tab for your Final Cut Pro video editing. And a separate tab for your Java IDE programming environment. And so on. Basically, the whole desktop becomes a tabbed execution environment. And you can run any program, in any language, using any low-level graphics card API calls, to write whatever internet-enabled programs that you want.

Mzs [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Huckle, you have my entire support. These comments resemble the iPhone naysayer after its launch. I mean, reading the comic we see a lot of innovation there, mainly on the application approach of the web, not only document requisitions.

We see in comments, people even against the cloud computing – exactly what Google is aiming with this new browser – when we know that that is irreversible path.

Folks, Firefox didn’t resolve its already legendary memory leak, and the architecture of current browsers was made based on the past web concepts.

Go ahead Google, I can’t wait for it.

triaks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

>>We see in comments, people even against the cloud computing – exactly what Google is aiming with this new browser – when we know that that is irreversible path.

You're confusing internet-based cloud computing with web-based cloud computing. Someone can be for the former, but against the latter.

GonzoDark [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

about 1 hour left..or that is what we all hope for.. I personally think this is going to be great (if it is not a stupid prank).

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

darn! I have a meeting in an hour.. Is going to miss the launch. Ill probably be the millionth person to DL Chrome. OMG! I am so lame.. no one would ever talk to me again.. I'm a looozer!

birogeri [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm thinking about that even Google's servers would crash under this demand. I bet a dime.

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

If you want to watch the press announcement, the video link is google.client.shareholder.com/ ...

SkaKri [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hope that they have set up at least 10 mirrors.
This is gonna be better than FF3 launch!

dave cormier [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I"ve been loving ubiquity... in four days it's changed the way i use a browser... nice timing on mozilla's part

crazybmanp [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

i wonder if the flood from all the downloads are gonna crash goggle.

Acidvertigo [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

3 minutes to download..... ????

sankar anand [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

just one mins

SkaKri [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Update at Wikipedia: "The beta for the Windows version is due to be released on September 2, 2008 at 19:00 UTC. It will be available in 43 languages. Google is holding a press conference that day at 18:00 UTC (11:00 am PDT)".
So, 35 mins left.

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

So, Google Chrome – works, some bugs – mostly minor (some textareas play up, and scrolling is way to quick from my trackpad), incredibly quick and overall very impressive.

The Google Code project for Chrome hasn't been enabled yet but V8 has, code.google.com/p/v8/.

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

I am posting this using Chrome.. it is a bit of a yawn. it is very bare when it comes to setting options, add-ons etc.

Works ok, but I am not yet seeing the point of it.. maybe after I use it for a while..

ejes [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

LOL Chrome... it is based on webkit but can't even load webkit.org, and don't even try to load javascript intensive pages like EyeOS – it won't even start.

Sergey [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

we wait maemo version of google browser

Art-One [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Two words: Lightning fast... Great!

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]ejes
Webkit.org is slow for every browser and EyeOS is working for me.

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome refused to work on my laptop. After four reinstalls I still kept getting this error:

friendfeed.s3.amazonaws.com/69 ...

Now I've installed it on my desktop, the first thing I noticed was that I can't scroll up using my mousewheel. That's a bit weird.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Anybody knows how to turn of the Speed Dial thing for good? I'm able to replace that page with "about:blank" in the options but then it still pops up when I press e.g. Ctrl+N in a window...

Marty191 [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

hi, on my (stupid) windows xp it wont install because 'this instalation is forbidden by system policy' (error 1625) , any help with this?

Guney [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Its the best browser EVER its the soooooo fast, the design is abit egh, but the speed is WOW

Lee [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I love this browser, but it fails Acid2 and Acid3. =(

Give it time though and it will rock. It's a browser my mom could use.

Lee [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Huh, weird. In the time it took me to write my last message it actually started working on Acid2...

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

i am gettin an application error...last thing i want is my comp screwing up so i cant even load a single page on chrome...
but by the looks of it..its TOOO plain....in trademark google BLUE....

Bilal [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Unfortunately, it will take parts from the non-micrsoft 25 % part of the market. i wished to see a firefox based product to help it against MS ie However it is not the case :(

Azzam Sheikh [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I am using it now and it is pretty slick

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Same error for me also....HELP..i dont have a second pc.....

friendfeed.s3.amazonaws.com/69 ...

This was in the Chrome_installer.log...

[0903/012731:ERROR:uninstall.cc(90)] Failed to delete registry key: SoftwareClassesChromeHTML and the error is The handle is invalid.

[0903/012731:ERROR:uninstall.cc(90)] Failed to delete registry key: SoftwareClientsStartMenuInternetchrome.exe and the error is The handle is invalid.

[0903/012731:ERROR:uninstall.cc(105)] Failed to delete registry value: Google Chrome and the error is The handle is invalid.

Ne idea abt what the prob is??

Leon Santiago. [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

No Google Bookmarks integration and no (ok, just a little) CSS 3 support.

It's only fast. And that's because Chrome dont do anthing than renderize pages... I don't see anything of the "web application browser of the future" in the Chrome... Google just create another browser.

Gary F [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[Moved]

I can't believe how quickly it installed! There wasn't even an installation file to save or execute. How did it do that? Maybe it exploited an IE vulnerability! ;-)

Anyway, I love Chrome's ability to drag tabs to another monitor, very cool. But how do I turn on smooth scrolling? It doesn't appear to have the option. Is there an official Chrome forum where I can ask? There's no facility in Chrome to feed back to Google. Maybe that's the way they like it?

Bilal [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I agree it is only fast.

alb [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

As a web developer, all I can say is "ah crap ... another bloody browser to support." I can only wonder what css and javascript hacks this one will require to make it work on an already highly misinterpreted set of specifications.

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Where..is..the..HOME..icon.
Installed fast, no problem.

alby [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Scroll up doesn't seem to work from the touch-pad...

Nathan Scott [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm also using chrome right now, one issue is that the bookmark start button has been crashing the browser and video playback is a little off

Defiant [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[Moved from "What no HOME button" – Tony]

Things which have put me off this browser.

1: It doesn't have a Home button (I like that on browsers)
2: every tab you open create another chrome.exe

it will be interesting what others think of this but the no Home button is a definet put off for me

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #


brinke_guthrie:

The home button is an option you turn on in "options" in the "basics" tab..

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

1. Set a home page and you get a home button
2. Thats the main selling point of the browser

Its amazingly fast! I love it!

toml [PersonRank 6]

5 years ago #

Did you noticed the resize of entering windows. Nice

cudamaru [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Right on alb! However, I currently recommend developers only bother to support two browsers IE (6 & 7) and FF, together that's about 95% of all browsers being used. If the last 5% want to play with dodgy betas, let 'em.

Bilal [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

and you can resize this forum textarea:


img219.imageshack.us/img219/42 ...



funny ;)

Utills [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

It's quite strange how Chrome creates a new sub process for each tab that you open. More strange is that Process Explorer reports each child process as being a "Job".

Does anyone know whether creating each tab as a job gives Google more security and control over each tab in that no one tab is able to affect overall memory usage as it will all be released when the tab is closed, as opposed to Firefox where it would leak into the main process?

Any thoughts?

omni [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Just create your own 'Home' button.

Go to google.com and drag the star below the url box and let go.

Ta da! You now have your own home button.

omni [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Forgot to add this. You can even right click it and rename it "Home"

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

why is chrome installed in LOCAL SETTINGS/APPLICATION DATA/GOOGLE instead of Programe files....??

n the 23mb file of chrome.7z loaded in no time....it hardly took 10 minutes wheras it takes 1 hour to dowload the same size files...

it sshows 0xc0000005 error which is caused due to
The error 0xC0000005 is generated by an illegal "memory access violation". This can be caused by anything from faulty RAM, an incorrect/corrupt device driver, poorly written/updated software and more commonly under Windows XP Service pack 2, malware/adware installations.

all i can think of is poorly written/updated software and more commonly under Windows XP Service pack 2.

Andrej [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Check out:

about:stats

quet [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Regarding the [home] button...

For those missing it...it's turned off by default. You can turn it back on in the options>Basics settings. I thought it should have been enabled by default since almost everyone is used to having one, but I guess its part of the minimalist design.

Blah [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I guess they have never heard of (or want users to hear of) Opera...

blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ ...
"We began rebuilding the UI so the tabs were on top"
Ha-ha-ha – good morning – I have had "tabs on top" since 2002 in Opera :-)

blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ ...
So... they decided to repackage WbKit (=Safari=KHTML), run each page as a process and use the pages Goggle indexes for testing... big deal...

[adjusted links from gamesforthebrain.com back to blogoscoped.com...]

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

you cant put a HOME icon up where the refresh and left/right arrows are?

James Confue [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

My views on it so far:

Openbox:
when you type in a website in the bar along the top, in goggle toolbar and fire fox fashion it tries to guess what you are sticking in it, if its a website you not been too or a search you not done before it tries to guess like so, I just typed in Holidays to and it come up with the following:


img364.imageshack.us/img364/91 ...


I can assure you i have not typed in either of them.

Next is the applications part, first i thought that they had just renamed Favourites but it is really a good idea, what it does is it creates a shortcut on your desktop/quick launch/ start menu (tick which you want) etc, then i realised it opens up with its own memory etc, so if Chrome crashes or your application crashes the other stays open!!!


img377.imageshack.us/img377/53 ...



Home page, your homepage can be what you want it as, or you can leave it blank for a useful tool, it remembers your most recent sites and saves them as a thumbnail on the homepage so you can literally just click, it also does this for when you open a tab.


img364.imageshack.us/img364/11 ...



Now one thing that really scared the [profanity removed] of of me was the save passwords section, now i like it when it saves my password, but if my computer is stolen Mr Thief can only access the sites until I change the password to something else, here he can click Show passwords see the sites passwords are saved for, the login and the password with no knowlodge needed!


img377.imageshack.us/img377/37 ...



And finnaly the spell checker, it likes to highlight my mistakes in things but when i left or right click a misspelled word it just gives me the standard cut copy paste etc, its like an anoying teacher "you spelt it wrong but you got to find the right word for it" IE and FF helped me here and let me add words, the best bit is if i put Google it puts it as a spell mistake?!

garyprice [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Yes, it does remind me (on the surface) a lot of Opera.

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

PS should there be a CHROME BUGS seperate thread?

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Brinke
Go to Options -> Basic -> Show Home Button (checkbox)

Jean Machuca [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

So far I have noticed that each tab reserve over 20 Mb, which guarantees the embedded objects prompt opening. In general promotes use of end-user very comfortable. You can search directly from the address bar. Although, I have noticed some compatibility problems with JavaScript, such as the window.opener object (be careful to repeat the error with Microsoft IE 7). Great contribution of the Code Inspector Tool. It requires attention to the ortographic control.

Congratulations to the Google Team!

Yours sincerely!

Jean Machuca
Software Architect
IT Consultant

quet [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Strange....

When I open Google Maps (maps.google.com) in Chrome, it is showing the older version – prior to the new redesign a few weeks ago. In FF and IE, the new version is showing. Does anyone else get this?

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Is anyone else worried that there is no Run/Save/Cancel window for downloads, I just starts. If a page automatically starts a download you can't stop it :(

I probably won't use the resizing text boxes thing, The new tab page is not very useful for me. Can't get my Google Bookmarks. Oh and it picks Google Reader up as a bad site as it goes to the ".co.uk" version

Think I'll be returning to Firefox until this gets better :(

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

a few more "about:xx"

about:stats
about:network
about:memory
about:crash

peekay [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

check out :
about:memory

Missing FF's AdBlockPlus

Also, to reiterate James Confue's comments: do NOT use the password manager since there is no password required to show all the stored passwords.

Other than that, so far so good.

peekay [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Arie: you beat me by that much

Mitch [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]James Confue

Unless you set a master password in FireFox, every browser that allows you to store passwords will have them available in plain text.

Firefox has a similar dialog for showing passwords and while there is no dialog for it in IE it is still possible.

CC [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Overall not bad but why does it have two Chrome exe's running at the same time?
Another concern is very high CPU use all the time and it's fair share of lockups.
The no tracks feature is very suspicious, must mean when you delete things they go straight to Google...ie "Spyware".

Gerrit [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

oh, and also:

about:dns

wall [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Is there no 1 click to add site to Google Reader in Chrome. No pretty RSS button in the omnibar.

Jesus Rivera [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I'm trying to go to service.sap.com , but the page don't show :(say something like "Web page unavailable" and

Error 110 (net::ERR_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT_NEEDED): Unknown error.

Anyone have a similar problem, or maybe a possible solution?

I try the same address on FF and has no problem :(

Nick Talley [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Set chrome to import my FF bookmarks but have now lost all of them :-(

James Xuan [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

http: //img.4chan.org/b/src/1220391172160.png

from /b/

[unlinked as it was slow...]

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Matt Cutts wrote a post about privacy and security in Chrome: mattcutts.com/blog/google-chro ...

Matt [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"The application failed to initialize properly (0x0000005). Click on OK to terminate the application."

I chose not to import from Firefox, every page I try to go to brings up this dialog. So I guess today's not the big day for me yet.

Henry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I cannot even install Google Chrome. I double click on the downloaded icon and nothing happens.

I wonder why.

knaker [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

any toolbars?

knaker [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

also how can i clear the about data?

Kranti [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

With 6 tabs, it is using twice as much memory as firefox

Avrohom Eliezer Friedman (AEF) [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ok

A bunch of people (Tony, Matt and I) seem to be getting the following error –

"The application failed to initialize properly (0x0000005). Click on OK to terminate the application."

After a bit of guessing around with Tony, the common denominator is that we both have Symantec Endpoint Protection (SEP). I did a bunch of browsing in the Google Group for Chrome and apparently anyone who has this problem has SEP. I'm using my computer at work so I'm guessing the network admin can add an exception. However the only problem for me is that I am the network admin and I'm having a hard time (read: not able to) getting into the admin console of SEP. (It says I should make sure the host name and port ID is correct.) I hope they release a fix for this soon.

The official guide in the chrome group said that when they come up with a workaround they will post it – I'm waiting.

groups.google.com/group/google ...

Mary Paddock [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I save my bookmarks to the google bar for the sake of portability. Unless I'm missing something, I can't import those into chrome. Since this is one of their own products, I can only assume they intend to add this Chrome--and sooner than later would be wise.

As for browsing speed I'm impressed and I like the ability to be able to search from the address bar. 'Very handy.

But without my bookmarks, I'm at kind of a stand still.

Rorist [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

There also is a:

about:plugins

At the bottom of the page we can read:
[...] Provides functionality for installing third-party plug-ins

boe [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

tried it – during set up as soon as it tried to open chrome it said – The application failed to initialize properly (0xc00000005). Click on OK to terminate the applicaiton

I get a mac like folder in the middle of the browser that says – aw, snap something went wrong while displaying this webpage. I've tried uninstalling, reinstalling, uninstalling, disabling my antivirus and reinstalling – always comes up with the same error. I understand it is just a beta but since this is the only app I've ever had an install issue with and I have about 50 apps on my computer I think the issue is probably with the beta and not my computer (XP Pro SP3). I'm sure it will work for most people but I thought I'd point out my issue so others with the same error don't assume it is just them.

I posted this on another thread this morning and already quite a few other people are saying they have the same issue. Some are running XP some are running Vista.

Gary F [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Chrome's javascript engine is slower than Firefox and Opera!

Using the well known Celtickane.com test on the *same* WinXP machine:

Opera 9.5: 265ms
Firefox 3: 346ms
Chrome: 486ms
IE7: 2547ms

Looking into the detail, Chrome is specifically slow with array and date objects but fast with math and regex. Still, it's odd that Google boast so much about their new compiled V8 engine when other browsers that don't make such big claims are as fast or faster.

Try it yourself: celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspe ...

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

OK, let's give it a go. I am writing this post in FF3, heh, so I can eyeball GC @ the same time.

Comments as follows in no particular order:

*really freakin' fast. fastest browser I've ever seen- I thought Safari was fast, then a tie with FF and Opera, followed by IE.

*Where are the icons? I want a HOME, PRINT, & BOOKMARKS icon at the very least. As far as HOME is concerned, whatdda I do, drag the star in the toolbar down to the bookmarks bar? Noooo.

*What is this 'Other bookmarks' folder on my toolbar? I don't want it there.
It shows 11 of my 23 folders. The foler also plays a >> and thus drops down the rest of the toolbar folders.

*How can I make it so I can retrieve Yahoo Mail? If I click on an alert from Yahoo Messenger, it brings up IE7. In FF3, I have an extension, and Yahoo Mail is the default for FF3.

*Love the clean, spare look.

*Did I mention it was fast?

*Can you add toolbars to it? Like Google toolbar? Do I even need to?

I like it so far. Not enough to switch from FF3, tho. I need the mail functionality, and the icons. Will there be extensions like FF3?

Martyn [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

google chrome v0.2.149.27

about:stats – shh this page is secret!
about:memory
about:crash
about:histograms
about:plugins
about:shorthang – enter this after going to a site and it will hang your tab! then kill it!

Martyn [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

celtickane speed test WOW

Safari Total Duration 156
FireFox Total Duration 277
IE7 Total Duration 609
Chrome Total Duration 296

thing is those mean jack... chrome still opens faster than ALL of them and loads pages faster than all and it hasnt crashed once and it's beta! oh ye and it's BETA!

safari crashes all the dam time!

EricM [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Chrome doesn't seem to recognize or know that it has to prompt me for my user certificate when I try to access my iNotes (secure) home page. As a matter of fact, I get the following error :

Error 110 (net::ERR_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT_NEEDED) : Unknown error.

In fact, the error message is in french :
"Erreur 110 (net::ERR_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT_NEEDED) : Erreur inconnue".

I have more than one user certificate. Any idea why Chrome doesn't know which certificate to use or, at least, why it doesn't ask which certificate I would like to use in order to login? Bug or config problem?

Thank you,
Eric

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> PS should there be a CHROME BUGS seperate thread?

Brinke, for now just one thread is OK...

Martyn [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

EricM i know this might seem a little obvious but did you try "Manage Certificates" in options?

Hassan in KSA [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I'm getting the same SSL error too. I dont have any certs and FF normally just ignores that. Actually, its the SSL VPN app on the other end that ignores and keeps going. The site uses the same behavior whether I use FF or IE

Error 110 (net::ERR_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT_NEEDED): Unknown error.

Martyn [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

dl.google.com/chrome/plugins/p ...

lots of plugins for chrome!

Ted Haeger [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Bungee Labs has posted screenshots of Google Chrome running Bungee Connect, an online IDE that uses Javascript very intensively.

Check their blog. blogs.bungeeconnect.com/2008/0 ...

Hassan in KSA [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

btw... that Manage Certs suggestion under Options did me no good... even if I had a cert Chrome should prompt me to choose the one I wanted to use.
Any idea of when Chrome will be able to prompt for certs like FF?
I guess it will be just a new toy/gadget until that time.

But keep up the good work team

Nathanael [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Chrome downloaded but won't start. Anyone else?

DisneyMan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

XML are not supported, can not view XML nor XSL files.
disney.com won't load at all, that's enough for me. Adios chrome.

kiran [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

fast and less memory hungry. I tested on few sites and it works amazingly fast with no fuss.

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Finally the 0xc0000005 Application error SOLUTION
Problem is with Symantec Endpoint Protection.
check:

the-techie.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

Hurray i can finally use Chrome

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Found the HOME icon. OK- and there's no managee bookmarks, is there.

What about this 'most visited' tab? Does that ever clear?

If I can get yahoo mail to come up in this, I may switch.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> OK- and there's no managee bookmarks, is there.

If you click the star icon and then the edit button, there will be some kind of manager...

Murali [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Undo Close Tabs? – Very Important

Middle mouse click inside a window to get the window into 'scroll' mode, where you just move the mouse up and down to scroll? – Very Important

Make newly opened tab (via middle mouse click) as active? – Important

Adblock? – Probably never supported in Chrome!

Incognito [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

about:cache
Simplistic, but effective

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

(Edit: Added about:cache to the post. Thanks Incognito!)

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I saw the right click thing, philipp, but i am talking a drop down menu thing, like FF. 26K page views----a record i guess?

Avrohom Eliezer Friedman (AEF) [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

To fix the Symantec error –

I went to Control Panel – Uninstall a program – clicked on Symantec – in the wizard I clicked modify – and i put a x by Application and device control. Let the wizard run through again and rebooted. Then it worked. I'm not really so comfortable with this, but I really wanted to try out chrome. And I'm posting here from Chrome. I'll probably put it back soon.

mrbene [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Tested multiple times with Firefox 3, IE8, and Chrome:

Chrome: 675 through 775
Fx 3: 725 through 825
IE8: 850 through 950

Chrome rocked Math, Errors, Regex, and DOM.
Fx 3 topped Array and Date.
IE8 didn't get top marks anywhere and had a similar set of strengths as Fx 3 – outperforming Chrome on Array and Date while really failing on Error handling and Regex. IE8 did pretty well on DOM, having performance closer to that of Chrome than that of Fx 3.

My Fx 3 numbers may be a bit skewed due to plugins.

mrbene [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Murali – Open a new tab, there's a list of "recently closed tabs" so that you can open the one you want.

Anup Banerjee [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

MSN live is not supported and some other AJAX based sites are not supported as well.

Murali [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]mrbene – thanks... overlooked that one! :)

Colin Colehour [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Here's the Google Code webpage for the open source project of Google Chrome:
code.google.com/chromium/

Colin Colehour [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Also there is a new blog out for Chromium the open source browser project. Can you add this new blog to your feed Philipp?

blog.chromium.org/

jilm [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

My very first impression was a very high excitement, the look&feel of Chrome is suprising, in a good way. After couple hours of using I am starting to be disappointed. Once the browser crashed entirely. Couple times frozed for tens of seconds. Numerous sites do not work properly, problem is probably with javascript – kdice.com, listing of photos in Facebook etc. Chrome uses quite a lot of computer resources, at least the same as Firefox. And I don´t see the independence of different tabs – troubling sending of a comment in Facebook frozed all tabs, not only that one. Better start than Safari for Win, but still I think they should not advertise it too much yet.

Kevin D [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I have a directional scroll button on my laptops mouse pad. When browsing in Google Chrome the down scroll button works fine but the up button does nothing...

I know this is a little thing but after years of surfing, using the scroll buttons has become a habit and it's very annoying not being able to use it in Google Chrome.

Helpful Joe Public [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[moved from "Cross tab applet support"]

Hello Google folk,
I love your new project, however when I visit a website that needs a java based "helper" applet to be launched in a new window, the window that initially launched the helper application is then unable to access the service.
Helpful Joe Public.

CC [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Chrome shows three "chrome.exe's" open in task manager...what gives?

Incognito [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

>CC

Each tab is a separate process. So each of them show up in the "Processes" tab.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Wired put up an article by Steven Levy giving some interesting history on the Chrome project:

wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/ ...

moreofless [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Did not import my favorites...I be using IE until that is fixed.

Karthik [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome rocks. It loaded pages faster than FF3.

[put at-character here]Murali – You can use "Ctrl + Shift + T" to open recently closed tabs.

Mark [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I also have a scroll up problem -dell w/touchpad

Need a right click refresh too!

jilm [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

And another issue – scroll wheel works in the ordinary way. But I usually use it by clicking on the wheel and then just moving the whole mouse up and down. That´s not working in Chrome.

Ben G [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hey, my two main gripes are:

Middle clicking to scroll doesn't work – that sort of arrow that scrolls the page as you move with your mouse. Also, pressing control enter in any other browser appends whatever is typed in the address bar with www. and .com, which makes things faster, along with shift enter for .net and ctrl shift enter for .org. Chrome doesn't do that.

Beyond that, very positive so far.

Martin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Imbeded vids in myspace are screwing up as well. They have a tendency to freeze the page a bit.

Rocking browser though, GooG will not fail us.

Paul [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Will not run – a screen pops up when trying to open the application but closes so fast I can't read it. Any ideas what to do?

candra [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

It' nice,but chrome waste my memory, I think Opera is more better in memory handling.

anon [PersonRank 7]

5 years ago #

I can't wait to see the add-ins. This is the closest thing I've found so far, www.chromeaddins.com

Martin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Ben G, Ctrl+Enter is working on my end just fine.

pete [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I installed chrome once, then deleted it completely and tried to install it again. Impossible! I get an error 4 message everytime I try to install the program again...does anyone know how to solve this ?

Brock [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Bookmarks.
1. The Bookmark Manager is archaic.
2. No sync with Delicious/Google Bookmarks??

Michael. G.E. J. [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I was completely flabbergasted by the fact that they didn't natively implement their bookmarking system directly in to the browser, not to mention Calendars, RSS, etc etc.

I have stopped using locally stored bookmarks for almost a year now and so having Google Bookmarks support is absolutely necessary for me, quite disappointing, though I have little doubt that support won't be far off.

Apart from native app support I have very pleased with their browser, love the look, love the speed, love the little details (dynamic status bar, find bar, etc)

Avrohom Eliezer Friedman (AEF) [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ben G. -

Clicking the scroll wheel works for me.

Michael. G.E. J. [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Ha, Brock has the same thoughts as me. :P

Helpful Joe Public [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

> I was completely flabbergasted by the fact that they
> didn't natively implement their bookmarking system
> directly in to the browser, not to mention Calendars,
> RSS, etc etc.

One possible explanation is that they're holding back on some of the Google integration aspects to not make it look as though Chrome is unfairly optimized to run Google (it may already be optimized for Google considering it runs Gears, but Gears can be used by other services too).

Dennis [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

So far installing on Vista and using went well. So far no problemos!!

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

great article on WIRED as mentioned earlier.

bradsucks [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I think it's fantastic, it just needs Greasemonkey or something similar. I love having individual chrome-less windows for Gmail and Google Reader, but I've come to rely on enhanced macros (particularly label hotkeys in Gmail).

I doubt it'll replace Firefox for everyday browsing for me (I'm too extension-spoiled) but for the apps I rely on most heavily (Gmail, Google Reader, Google Calendar) it's a huge improvement. The speed on Javascript-heavy sites is amazing and it's hard to go back to Firefox.

(And the mouse click/scroll thing doesn't work here either.)

Nico Nel (studypath.cn) [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I just installed GC (Did I just invent the acronym? LoL)

The first thing that "make it or break it" when I use new software is the installation. Face it, as software developer I'm really busy multi-tasking like a woman, and just hate my computer freezing up for a few minutes. Easy FAST installation....Loved It

Then I first tested it using our company website (www.studypath.cn) and yeah..it's faster. How Google did this I got no idea, but man...Gotta Love them (Even they rejected like 10 job applications from me in the past)

Lastly its' simple as a browser really should be. I mean....what is a browser other than just a window into a website. This is one thing everyone got wrong so far. All this functionality and stuff we really don't need making browsers slow and error prone.

With Google you never know, but really hope this help reducing the number of users using IE (ask any web developer and he will confirm that IE is EVILLLLL)

Good Job Google!!!!

ant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Yeah, Chrome is really fast!

Windows Live Hotmail doesn't support it-but it didn't support FF3 in the beginning either.

The saddest part for me: lack of RSS Feeds!! Why???

Rick Wargo [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Considering how most OS'es have a command line as the root of their development, I believe that with all the functionality offered by the Omnibar, it is the "command line" in Chrome and may soon become the "Command Line of the Internet." Refer to my post at rickwargo.com/2008/09/02/google-chrome/.

John [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm disappointed in bookmarks. Why not a full-screen view like History?

But the deal-killer is the ads. It's highly unlikely that a Google browser would ever incorporate ad blocking, so that's why I'm sticking with Firefox.

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

There was the first vulnerability reported in Chrome already at
lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/fu ...

The report on the mailing list describes it as a crash type issue and there is a Proof of Concept link included.

Rohit Srivastwa [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

try this about:internets

Wes [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm in love with the speed and low memory footprint, but sure do miss a bunch of features of FF.

I'm planning on taking a hybrid approach to Chrome... Use Chrome for Google sites, FF for everything else.

Martin D. Wales [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

>But the deal-killer is the ads. It's highly unlikely that a Google browser
> would ever incorporate ad blocking, so that's why I'm sticking with Firefox.

If by blocking ads you mean ALL banner ads, just remember that when you block them, you're choosing NOT to support even the websites you love. Websites get revenue just from having the ads load with the page, and if you block the ads, the websites don't get money.
Someone has to pay the hosting bill.

Ristani [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Downloaded the beta today and I must say, I'm fairly impressed. I especially like that you can move and pull out the tabs.

One thing I would like to see added is that same move/pull technology with the speed dial page.

Keep up the good work! =D

Dennis [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

doesn't everyone? Lol

Burningfeetman [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Installed Google Chrome with Norton running. It corrupts the install. So I uninstalled Chrome and disabled Norton, rebooted. Tried to reinstall Google Chrome but I'm now greeted with an "Error 4" message, and then the installation terminates early, leaving me Chromeless. :(

I've left messages on Google Groups, so hopefully someone there can shed some light on the problem.

Andrea [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I'm missing a lot find-as-you-type and a smoother scrolling; some firefox extensions as well, like better gmail; other than that it's cool

Akira [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I need more shortcut keys because I don't use a mouse continually.
For example :
see bookmarks
go back home

But on the whole, I'm very satisfied with Chrome.
  

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

thetruthaboutmozilla.wordpress ...

Check this post about the GBrowser.....6 mos ago.

Dandy Andy [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

>But the deal-killer is the ads.
>It's highly unlikely that a Google browser
>would ever incorporate ad blocking,
>so that's why I'm sticking with Firefox.

The ad-blocker, morality concerns aside, is a necessity here also ... along with the myriad of other extensions (Greasemonkey, etc.) that have made Firefox my *personal* browser make a migration highly unlikely.

Somehow, I can't envision the multitude of FF extension developers busting there collective a$$es to rewrite for Chrome.

Interesting go of it, though.

Judge_death [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

whrere the hell are the bookmarks stored? it wont import my firefox or IE book marks

anyone know whrere they are hidden?

Greg Huet [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Hi,

Great navigator!!! Very fast!!! But when used in fullscreen, if the Windows start bar is set to hide, then when placing the mouse on the bottom of the screen, the start bar is not appearing.

The only way I will use Chrome is if the start bar appears when the mouse pointer is on the bottom of the screen... fix this and you will have me 100% Chrome!!

Matt [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Very nice browser.. I must say that I really like the simple UI, but the best part is the 'under the hood' performance changes. as a test I created a simple page with a javascript loop. it loops 100,000 times and then updates a label to say it's done. IE and FF took around 20 seconds.. GC was around 1 second. Awsome. I'm a web developer who writes web applications rather than just websites, and we use a lot of javascript, so this kind of performance improvement is outstanding.

As for the crash reported, I guess we need to expect some issues, it is after all still in beta.

Matt [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"whrere the hell are the bookmarks stored? it wont import my firefox or IE book marks

anyone know whrere they are hidden?"

open a new tab.. bookmarks are at the top right corner (assuming you left the new tab as the google default, otherwise, I'm not sure).

Sohil [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Feature Wish: Incognito Tabs (instead of opening a new window)

And Adblock Plus =P

Tshrove [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I love it!!! It is so easy to use. I'm usually a hardcore Firefox fan but I love this browser. Makes life easy with the tab screen.

Travis Harris [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

<<The saddest part for me: lack of RSS Feeds!! Why???>>

Que Google Reader...

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I imported my FF3 bookmarks as everyone else did, worked fine. But what are these 'Other bookmarks.'

They're URLs I deleted from my bookmarks in FF. They came along anyway.

How, I don't know.

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Also;

When I maximize browser..there's no tiny Google logo next to the -[]x on top right. When I minimize it..I see it.

Those shortcuts for webapps to place on desktop/start menu.quick launch; come out distorted on the desktop.

Running Vista Home Premium.

Vic DiGital [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Actually, I'm using Chrome the opposite of what others seem to be. For all the add-on heavy sites, like gmail, reader, gcal, youtube, etc, I'm sticking with FF.

But for the plain old surfing sites, I am using Chrome. They load so much faster in Chrome. Plus, for all of those sites (ESPN, AICN, etc), I can have them all set to load in tabs when Chrome is launched.

On the glitch side, I've had some problems with Facebook, with clicking 'next' on some numbered page links not doing anything (or clicking on the page number itself).

Having lots of issues with the Back button pages disappearing, especially on gmail.

So as I said, FF for the sites I use and interact with. Chrome for sites I just visit or read.

Robert MacEwan [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Any word yet on themes?

Marco Antonio [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

i have a problem when wnat install google chrome .... please help me

[0902/224728:ERROR:setup.cc(282)] Return status of Chrome browser registration 0

Rupesh Khandekar [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I have installed Chrome from Google site. An its working awesome.
i have tested all the website from bank to online music /videos all the site are working great
not like IE or firefox...will keep on testing and up u all

Thanks,
Rupesh Khandekar
India , mumbai

John Welch [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

What's this about?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_c ...

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."

Les [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I went to one of my favorite Torrent web sites with Chrome, and I was assaulted by flashing ads. I have been using Firefox and AdBlock Plus, and I haven't suffered from obnoxious flash ads for a long time. The bottom line is that I can't use Chrome until it lets me block ads.

abeen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I was waiting to see how google chrome would be like, and finally I did download and installed and blogged about Google Chrome in http:/abeen0.blogspot.com, much more like Safari though,

[Signature removed – Tony]

Christoph [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I would like to have Google Bookmarks integrated in Chrome.

James [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

One of the original features of Flock was searching the full text of pages you've visited.

Arie [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

I tried installing Google toolbar on Chrome.. It said: "requires Firefox 2.0 or later" :)

alek [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

From Philipp's Post – "once Chrome reaches a critical percentage in the market ... we’re far from that ..."

FYI FWIW: Looking at the web logs from two (general purpose, non-techy) sites I run, Chrome was between 0.5 and 1% of the hits/pages/etc. today ... and traffic didn't start until after the release at Noon.

So I'd say that's one heck of a percentage increase on day one (actually, day one/half) and if you (unrealistically) extrapolated that rate, Chrome would have 100% of the browser market by year end! ;-)

I would be curious what other people are seeing – heck, Philipp is probably see a much higher percentage given the nature of his site plus the fact that he is *the man* when it comes to Chrome info/analysis.

alek

P.S. I had to modify the Analog source code to account for the Chrome browser – have other popular programs (Google Analytics for example) been updated to identify this browser?

Rafael Cotta [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I have posted a video on Youtube that shows the difference in JavaScript processing between Firefox and Google Chrome, and it is amazing!

Firefox will hang in a test with 250 iterations, while Chrome will process it in a blink with 250 and 1250 iterations.

The test tab will hang with 12500 iterations (as it will concatenate text to a textarea, we must consider the difference between 250 and 500 is much less than between 750 and 1000!) but the other one will continue responding, what demonstrates the efficience of the proccess isolation.

Take a look at it on log.blog.br/posts/comparando-o ... .
Regards.

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

After installing i tried running it. but unfortunately its giving a "The application failed to initialize properly(0xc000000005)" error.

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome is sadly unuseable for me, after installing it i get this error:
"Det lykkedes ikke at initialisere programmet korrekt (0x0000005). Klik på OK for at afslutte programmet"

which basically means:
"It was not possible to initialise the program correctly (0x0000005). Click on OK to close the program"

Any idea where i can find a solution to this? it even pops up in the small windows that some of the settings in the options open.

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

seems anil beat me to it :)

Anyone know of any solution?

Sha [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

---------------------------
chrome.exe – Application Error
---------------------------
The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000005). Click on OK to terminate the application.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

did anyone got this error?? Please help..

Richie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

The browser crashes a lot and does not load any pages at all. It's a piece of crap!!! The look also looks similar to OPERA and it just sounds cool because it's from google. I'm really disappointed with GOOGLE!!!

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

so, i am not the only one here with this problem...

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

the strange thing is that it works perfectly fine for me at home, but not at work, and im using almost identical computers/OS

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Seems like there is some problem with its build.

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

could it be bcoz of the firewall or anti virus ?

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Some people mentioned that they used norton and had to disable it, restart and reinstall for chrome to work.
Cant say its the first time you hear about norton messing with good programs.

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

yeah Jensen, i've heard it before. But hear in my office its Symantec anti virus. And we can't disable it. Hope its not bcoz of this Symantec.

Sha [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I disabled the symantec and installed it it.. but still the same issue.. :(

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Yup, same here, disabled Symantec Endpoint Protection, uninstalled chrome, restarted and reinstalled chrome.

Still produces the error, so i uninstalled it and enabled Symantec again.

What OS are you running?
Im using Windows Vista SP1, 32bit as far as i know, atleast it doesn't state anything about 64bit anywhere.
At home i run vista 64bit, chrome works fine there.

Sha [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I'm using windows XP SP2 with Symantec Endpoint Protection
I didn't expected google to be this careless about a Beta release..

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Im using Windows XP Professional Version 2002 SP2 32bit.

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

ok, that does give some information.

How many of you get the (0xc0000005) error and is using Symantec Endpoint Protection?

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Im also using Symantec End Protection,so count me too..

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Although we're only 3+ so far, doesn't google has some kind of forum on its own that we can use for this? i hardly doubt google pays much attention to comments on a blog.

Luca [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Very nice.. but ... where are all my plug ins? (customize google, gmail manager etc?) FF , in this side , is still greater...
how to manage, for example , two (or more) gmail accounts ?
small problems , but sometimes this additional components are really time-savers.

Sha [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here] Dion..

we are not just 3, no one at my office were not able to run it.. and we all use Symantec Endpoint. so this MAY BE some problem with symantec.

Dion Jensen [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I found some information:

groups.google.com/group/google ...

Its google that manages that group and as you can read they are investigating the issue, lets use that google group from now on for our error :)

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

yeah ur rite.
try this link below.

groups.google.com/group/google ...

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

from google chrome help i found this piece of information from somebody's post.

" I just fixed it. Go into the Windows Defender Startup program settings
and remove the two Symantec entries labeled N/A. That fixed it for me! "

have to check whether it works or not.

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

So now its somewhat obvious that its coz of Symantec end protection. pls try this google link

groups.google.com/group/google ...

and post ur question here.

iwebie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I have installed Google Chrome and found browsing fun with its simple Gtalk like Simplicity. I'll stick with FireFox for now until Chrome gets some useful plugins to enhance it.

Read more below

iwebie.com/googles-chrome-brow ...

gnewbie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

for all those german readers here, we've tested google chrome you can see our results here:

netzwelt.de/google-chrome-brow ...

and here

netzwelt.de/software/8840-goog ...

Heiko [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

great.. i am desperately waiting for the linux version..
a pity that google first released the windows version. would have probably seduced some windows users to try a parallel linux installation.

at least that gives ppl time to implement an adblock plugin, because thats one killer feature.

Gerben [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Just crashed it – completely.
Dutch version (my locale): "O jee! Google Chrome is vastgelopen. Nu herstarten?"
Translated it is something like "O oh! Google Chrome just crashed. Restart now?".

Sveste [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hi,
just dont get it. Push "Accept and install" and nothing happens...
Tried it with FF3 and IE...
Anyone else that problem?

Christian [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Where are the plugins? It was able to import Firefox bookmarks etc so why can't it support Firefox add-ons? Until it can, I don't think I will use it.

...But it is very fast and nice looking!

Norman Speight [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Absolutely NO information on where users can download this browser.
All the "reviews" describe it but what if you want to try it for yourself?
Every time I type in "Google Chrome" "Download Google Internet Browser" or any other thing all I get ais pages of so called "reviews".

Sveste [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Sorry Norman, but thats not true. Downloadlinks are so many times posted now.
Try that one: gears.google.com/chrome

Sachendra Yadav [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Google's Chrome is aimed at Windows, not IE

This is no longer about browser but about the an entire marketplace spread between desktop, mobile and web. With Chrome, Google’s taking a shot at Windows, not paltry Internet Explorer

I've covered this in more detail on my blog
sachendra.wordpress.com/2008/0 ...

Wouter Schut [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Me.com gallery doesn't work:

gallery.me.com/seweso/100002

But it does work pretty fast :P

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Is the most recent version 0.2.149.27 still?

Tony Ruscoe [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> Absolutely NO information on where users can
> download this browser.

Since release, I've been seeing this on the Google home page:

New! Download Chrome (BETA) – the new browser from Google

Where "Download Chrome (BETA)" links to here:

google.com/chrome/index.html?h ...

Mitja Petelin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

From Google's announcement I was exited to try this revolutionary browser. Finally today I've tried to install the Google Chrome's browser on my Windows XP workstation. So, ones downloaded the setup file from tools.google.com/chrome/?hl=en ... I clicked on setup file: my behavior from exiting state become immediately desparate! In fact, after 0.1sec I started receiving message doc messages in the windows "GoogleUpdate.exe Disk not present" with the message "Can't find any disk in the device. Please insert a disk in the device DeviceHarddisk1DR2." I tried to cancel or close this window, but it was not possible. Alse rebooting PC was complicated, because thid window is gui blocking thread. Also after reboot this window dramatically appeared again! Hence I rebooted in safe mode and deleted manually any reference to "google update" or "google chrome" in the windows register.
What happened? Maybe, becouse I've installed the OS in the "H:" device and "C:" path does not exist in my PC, becouse I choosed (for my requirements) a particular partition.
This seems incredible! One thing are hidden bugs that come out in tesing, another thing are STUPID ERRORS.
That's not a good starting...

Kin Enriquez [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Chrome cant seemed to recognize the Adsense site (google.com/adsense)

Screenshot here: geek-is-cool.blogspot.com/2008 ...

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Quang [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

One of the most basic thing in browsing is bookmark and Chrome is totally dead in this. All it has is importing bookmark from Firefox or IE (not even a html file) and no way to export, backup or transfer bookmark to any file or any app.

If you use more than one computer like many of us today, it's impossible to synchronize your bookmarks. And if you only use one, there's a chance you lose all your bookmarks when computer crashes.

Chrome's bookmark function at the moment is simply dead end. Can't use it seriously until a basic function like bookmark is designed with an open system thinking.

Olivier Cahagne [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

is there a list of about: resources that can be accessed ? there's about:memory and about:
For e.g. I'm looking for something like about:cookies to delete a particular cookie.

Samuel Murray [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Funny that you should mention Opera's speed... but not also mention that the way tabs are placed on top of the address bar, is also copied from Opera.

Scott Williams [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

So far so good.
Simple to use.
Fast.
Clean interface.
I hope this kicks ass.

Harry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Have installed and adding to here from Chrome under XP Home Sp2

Harry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Like the omnithing, what does it do if you clear your history and do incognito windows come up in omni searches?

Sveste [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hmmm, is it a bug or a feature? Klick anywhere on tabs, tab is disappearing.... Just Strg + tab is working to flip trough tabs...
"Options" and the "more bookmarks" button doesnt work at all...

  

David Mulder [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Some javascript benchmarks of all browsers except IE at the moment, I didn't use sunspider because developers tend to optimize for the most used benchmark.
docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv4926 ...

cormac [PersonRank 3]

5 years ago #

Nice and fast, but I miss all the Firefox plugins and how do I view fullscreen?

Foil Foiler [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Great browser, but not that great for a powerhouse like Google. One great feature in Firefox is the NoScript add on, block unwanted ads, pop ups, and tracking tools used by Google. Maybe these technologies were why Google decided to create its own browser as it posed a direct threat to the primary revenue stream. Look forward to others thoughts.

Biro Tom [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Check out the The Triwizard Tournament of Browsers. We have compared IE8, Firefox 3.1 and Chrome on an AJAX based CMS.

blog.sensenet.hu/post/2008/09/ ...

Harry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Have been running for two beers and five handfuls of peanuts (shared with dog). All OK, My favs have come across. Like the interface. Is anyone else logged into their google account?

Ghenris [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Great browser, but there are a few things I think would improve it:
- Although the functionality to write a search engine + tab and then a seach term is useful, I believe a seperated search bar that allows you to search google, youtube, wikipedia (etc) would be much faster, simpler and more intuitive to use.
- I think there could be na option to change the appearance of the browser. I, for one, preferred smaller buttons so as to create more space to the page, and since the buttons are already so simple, it wouldn't be hard.
- Na option to download FLV movies would be great!

(sorry my bad english :P)

Ghenris [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Oh, I forgot, another thing I think would improve the browser was that little arrow that most browsers have at the right of the bar, where by clicking it, a list appears containing the last search terms inserted. Thus if I write on the omnibar "www.google.com" and then, on a different search, I write "chrome", in a third search, I could click the arrow and select "www.google.com" or "chrome". I find it quite useful.

Harry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Hey Ghenris, the tabs auto compress as you add more. Haven't stressed it, cool feature.

Mark B [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Hope they integrate Google Bookmarks with it – seems daft to have bookmarks from Google Chrome stored locally rather than in a pre-existing cloud. I use multiple machines and I want to (easily) access my bookmarks everywhere – just as I already do with Firefox.

David [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Functionality OK, but it is going to be more work for people like me. We spent time making the site look cool.... Google come along, launched a browser and it does not show my site correctly...... why complicate things for the web. Just one more Google nightmare to deal with......

Harry [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Where did "Chrome" come from? In Oz 'chroming' is a term used to describe the inhalement of various additives to spray paint cans, glue sniffing etc...

Will one now, "Chrome the net"?. It sounds a bit like 'roam the net'.

daniele [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

i have this error on 90% of websites, even gmail..
Error 320 (net::ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE): Unknown error.

in forefox and explorer everything is working fine.

Jan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

How about that EULA? Is Google serious about that? I mean... it looks like great browser but EULA (e.g. paragraph 11) is totally un-acceptable... I just hope it is some kind of misunderstanding and it will be fixed soon.

Mr. F. Le Mur [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Did a quick test: quick because I'll stick to Opera/Firefox unless some things are fixed.

Here's what's good:
   – It looks nice 'n' simple.
   – Started up fast..

Here's what's bad:
   – The install is terrible. You DL an installer which grabs the actual install and hides it from you, then installs into "Documents and SettingsuserLocal SettingsApplication DataGoogle" and doesn't give you any choice regarding this silly location (I like apps installed in a separate "bin" directory, not under "Program Files" and even less so under "Docs and settings").
   – Importing bookmarks/favorites: they end up three menu levels down.
   – It leaves an updater program running, apparently all the time.

kirk miller [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Its ok I guess. Nothing really new. Just another browser. Too much hype was put into this. Faster? It loaded just like any other browser. We must be talking milliseconds. It does give you alittle more real estate, but at the cost of hiding everything. Rating...ok-fair

HIlton [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Problems with Google Chrome started for me before I had even got it on my PC.

I selected ‘English (UK)’ as my language and pressed the Download button. Chrome ignored my language request and downloaded the program in Spanish, because I currently live in Spain. As I don’t understand Spanish ………..

Thinking there might be a option to change language in the program, I continued with the download.

There is a language option, and I changed it to English UK. I now have Chrome and Google Search displayed in a mixture of English and Spanish.

It doesn’t matter how good the program, if you can’t understand what it says, it’s waste of time, so I’m going back to Internet Explorer – pity.

It’s another case of software writers giving you the language of your location instead of what you understand. I’m not asking for an unheard of language. Just English. I’ll even put up with US English if I have to.

Gallow [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

We just have to wait until the release the official version. don't forget that this is a beta version. Maybe then the firefox plugins will be in chrome as well:P

Carlos [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

It is faster although I like having a home button-where is it? I tried Opera on a reccomendation but that also had no home button. but the lack of home button annoyed me. I stopped using it for that reason.

..the things I care about in a browser is the speed, the favorites listing, home button and security. If you could customize Chrome to your liking would be better.

AllThatJazz [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Like it OK, but the whole bookmark thing and lack of customization for the UI (seriously, why can't I drag a button to where I want it?) really put a damper on the whole experience.
On the plus side, web pages open much, MUCH faster that with IE, about on par as FireFox.

VB [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here] Kin Enriquez

That's because Google only has a valid SSL certificate for www.google.com and not for just google.com

Try going to www.google.com/adsense and it works just fine.

VB [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Carlos
Click on the tools button (the last one), go to options. On the basics tab there's an option of "Show Home button on the toolbar"

dale [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Its all a bit Meh (shrug) really, nothing new , opera has had the thumbnail (speed dial) feature for a few years, incognito, safari again has been doing for a number of years.

Its just another browser that doesnt do it for me on looks, it certainly wont get me away from IE and firefox combo.

Mike-Lazfsh [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

You can make the home button show up in the settings.

Bad installer: Agreed. What if I am using 2 hard drives and want it on my portable one?

Why doesn't it use Google Bookmarks? I need this. They have a bookmarks system set up and they don't incorporate it in their browser?

Bookmark Importing? I have my favorites saved in a portable version of Firefox and it gave me no option (not even manual) to import my bookmarks. And no export? Whats that about?

Also what If I want it to be red? I don't like the blue. At least give me like 5 choices

Download history=How can I delete it?

Also: @ David: Are you building your site to work in IE or are you building for W3 standards. Because you could be bragging about your bad web design, instead of complaining that Chrome renders it wrong. You can't just build for IE6. The web is evolving.

Mike-Lazfsh [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Also for some sites (like Microsoft Sharepoint Knowledgebases) they just hate, webkit or gecko or any other rendering engine except for Internet explorer. What about a way to render in IE engine (like IE tab extension in Ff), except when a site renders best in IE you could save the "open with IE engine" setting "in the cloud" so that everyone else gets IE as their engine on try #1(this would still be using Google chrome just embed the IE in a tab).

It-crashed-my-pc [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

This browser might be good.. NO
it freaky killed my pc (i'm sure it was the browser....)
My pc (vista home premium) died right after i installed it.. no trying to keep ppl from downloading, i'm only waring for this

maybe you should wait until it is a stable version...

again..just warning

Mike [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

hi, there's the current percentage share of google chrome:
flash-counter.com

Dean [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I think its fantastic!

Easy to install, loads really fast; enjoyed reading the google-chrome comic.

blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/

gttim [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

My only real complaint is the bookmarks. I want to hit a button and have them drop down. I do not want a row of bookmarks, nor do I want to have to keep hitting ctrl-b to get the button I need to hit.

Other than that, I really like it. I used to love Firefox until they screwed up the address bar with version 3. I iwll be using this from now on.

Ant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I've fond an nteresting Google Chrome wishlist google-chrome-wishlist.blogspot.com

Mr. Normal [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

It's not bad for an infant browser.

Everything is where it should be, and it has just enough to it to make it a great tool without weighing it down with extra crap. (I love the built in spell checker for text areas)

However, there seems to be serious memory management issues. They boasted better memory management, yet my system is paging constantly while chrome is running. I check my pagefile usage and it's through the roof. Ram usage is also considerably higher than with Firefox.

All in all, I like the browser, and will probably use it (or a variant of it) from now on.

oxfortblue [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

If any of you us bitcomet it will crash it complains about not having the correct version of the program, which I do then proceeds to multiple downloads and loads of the program which I already have. There seems to be a big bug lurking in there somewhere you think?

Kevin Gross [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[Moved from "Problems with saving an image to preferred folder" – Tony]

I have notice a little bothersome part of chrome when it comes towards
saving images. I was looking at sports cars and I saved an image, a default folder popped up; so I scrolled to the proper folder to save the image.

When I wanted to save another image instead of saving to the previous folder that I saved the previous image, the same default window folder popped up.

I tried another image instead of saving the setting to the previous folder it seems to keep the default folder when it comes towards saving images. So I have to scroll and search for the appropriate folder, in which I saved the previous images.

That is a waste of time, which is a pain in the royal ***, well you know.

Does anyone know of a good tweak that alleviate this problem?

Tom Sawyer [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

After one day, I am in love with this browser.

First, the shortcomings:

* No adblock.
* No way to easily organize bookmarks or import them from a file.
* No java plugin.

Everything else is pure bliss.

* The appearance of the much maligned "Fischer-Price" GUI is simply stunning on Vista. It's not the off-blue color that you see under XP, but rather translucent. I think it's gorgeous.
* The speed is remarkable. As everyone else says, it feels incredibly lightweight.
* Every site I've tested renders great and I've experienced no crashes.
* So far, it appears that memory utilization is lower than all the other browsers. Honestly, this doesn't mean that much to me as long as the browser is fast.

Chrome has already made this everyday Linux user convert his rarely-used Vista laptop into his main home machine. I cannot wait to see how the Linux version turns out.

Rahul P Sharma [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

How to activate the Status bar in Google Chrome....?? am unable to locate settings for Status bar..... Also what are the short cut keys for various actions like accessing address bar (IE8's F4 Equivalent etc)

Michael [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

so...when my CPU spikes to 100%...and my ISP service is choked with forced downloads just to view the splash pages of over-built, impractical and generally non-functional websites (that is to say..moreso than currently)...we can applaud Google for providing the next-step in foolish web-developing...hooray!

LINUX [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Why not google bookmark integration?

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Sounds really bad, from the Chrome's license:

themoderatevoice.com/media/new ...

Negus Entertinament [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I've use Google Chrome....Its a much speedy browser than any other......But it needs some little patches. For 1 it doesn't support HTML Editor Control!.

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jf [PersonRank 5]

5 years ago #

[Moved from "Chrome EULA" – Tony]

tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Po ...

theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/g ...

Bernadette Lugner [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Now don't forget, Google's business is the sale of advertising space, with additional services like collecting what people type into search engines and browsers and which pages they read. That "richer experience" stuff means better ads. And Chrome? That's like the flashy, but useless, metal strips that used to decorate cars half a century ago.

jf [PersonRank 5]

5 years ago #

read the eula folks.
dont use chrome until they change it!

Tom Payne II [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[Moved from "About:Stats" – Tony]

After snooping through the task manager and noticing: about:memory, I decided to try a few other :somethings.

about:stats has this funny line: "Shhh! This page is secret!"

anyway, it is chock full of detailed information about the browser.

harrymj [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

its cool at first glance, its fast simple attractive and makes u feel like u are surfing in a theater, but after initial excitement dies down u find some glitches, including linking g talk g mail and chrome. there are some minor hiccups.

Tim Steward [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I did an hd review on it at beginnerstutorials.com/?p=141

stefan2904 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

lol, about:internets (windows xp!):


farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2 ...



flickr.com/photos/stefan2904/2 ...

ed engberg [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I find roboform helpful. does chrome offer a way to fill in forms required to gain access to many sites?

Krige [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I would like to see a way to zoom the full page, instead of just increasing the text size, and remember the zoom level per site.

Victor Reyes [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Today I downloaded and started using google chrome. I actually like it and think it can become a great browser.
I have a problem, however, which I would like to know if it has solution.

I open a number of pages/windows (URL) as "incognito". I also made sure that all these pages would reload on a restart. To test it, I closed all pages and restarted it. All the windows, which were open when I closed the browser, were restarted...as expected. However, they started "normally", while I expected them to restart in the same way they were when I closed them, as incognito!

Do anyone knows how to ensure windows are started automagically as "incognito"?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Google's Matt Cutts statement on the EULA issue – though he says lawyers may give a more official (and I guess legally relevant) statement:

<<Q: Dude, this anonymous commenter said that Google claims that they own everything you touch when you run Chrome! Should I be worried?
A: No, of course not. I debunked that misconception last night in a Mashable comment and this morning in a ReadWriteWeb comment. Google does not want to claim the rights to everything you surf or do in Chrome, just like we didn’t want it the time before with Google Docs. :) I’m sure that other Googlers will clarify that point more officially. It is good that people pore through the license and ask these questions though, because if something looks worrisome then we can use that opportunity to make it more clear.>>
mattcutts.com/blog/common-goog ...

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Writing this on Mac now :) Is this .exe file opening issue really true:
securityfocus.com/archive/1/49 ...

unable to test now :(

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

It appears that new information about the menu item how to prevent the issue is posted
securityfocus.com/archive/1/49 ...

Lukergamer [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Personally, I need that customizability offered by skins. A good idea would have been to implement the color change system of Windows Media Player 11.

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Gc currently replaces FF3 for me but i guess i will return to FF till they integrage google bookmarks or a google toolbar...

created a post of all the "not" missing features....might help some ppl..
the-techie.blogspot.com/2008/0 ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Here's a longer followup by Matt in regards to the End User License Agreement debate. Quote Rebecca Ward, the Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome:

“In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products. Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don’t apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome.”
mattcutts.com/blog/google-chro ...

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I think it's just amazing how much hype was caused in a day (apparently) by accident.

Philipp happens to get the comic one day early and the news spread everywhere, Newspapers in London and New York, UK Radio. Normaly I mention a Google product to people in my IT class and they say they didn't know it existed, Yesterday someone started talking to me about Chrome on MSN.

A Google Search for "Google Chrome" (Speech marks included) gives over 5 million results. And Google news brings up nearly 6000

Hemant [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

now finally the EULA stuff is cleared....i feel a bit safe with my stuff (with value or worthless..its my stuff!!!)

whats with google adding the about:internets but failing to introduce some very basic stuff like better bookmarks......is their kind of fun??>

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Ido Kenan sent in this:


blogoscoped.com/files/google-s ...

Tiziano [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Nice, but unusable until the fix bookmarks so to work like in IE.

Sanjay Joshi [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

There are some problems..... When I saved the user id and pwd and Gmail then it doesn't shows the bowser... and it hangs... also this browser does not tool bar like Google toolbar.....

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I seem to see this a lot; see the error image on the right? what is that?
"Ooops! DNS error.."


img.photobucket.com/albums/v24 ...


pliers [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

loooks nice but......

there is a VERY NASTY exploit out for it allready that allows automatic downloads to the users computer without knowledge....

   .... oh dear the skript kiddies will have a field day.......

   check out millw0rm for details...

J Chew [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Windows Defender wants me to send information about Chrome.exe

Sebastian Oey [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I have trouble using java webpages... is there an add-on? Can I download it somewhere.?

Sebastian Oey [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Ups sorry not java but adobe flash player that i cant run...

Nguyen Long [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

it's really burdensome to listen music or news online with chrome, but it's run smoothly when i use Firefox.
And download speed is apparently slow, Chrome don't support to use accelerating tool.

Inferno [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Did anyone notice that the omnibox handles any number as IP address.

Try typing "1926654125" (without the qoutes of course) and see it suggesting you with an ip address like "114.214.104.173"

anil [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

If you install Google Chrome, you will see an error like “Application
failed to initialize (0xc0000005).”. This is due to Symantec Endpoint
Configuration in ur machines. To workaround this problem, try the
following fix.

1. Right-click the shortcut for “Google Chrome” on your desktop and
goto “Properties”.
2. In the target field, append “--no-sandbox” and Save.

Try again. Google Chrome should start working for you.

Hope this will help if u r company PC is using Symantec End Protection.

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Source(s):
try the following links for all other kinds of problems and fixes for Google Chrome.
groups.google.com/group/google ...

[Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/139142.h ...

Sveste [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #


What really pisses me of is that Google decides wether you can download chrome or not and in which language.
Okay, maybe I am German but I prefer my Browser language in english? Who are they to decide what is good for me?
Same with the OS. I want download chrome to test it with "wine".... nope.. sorry, not available for linux, leave your email adress, we contact you if....
I mean... where´s the problem?
Sorry guys, but thats not the way to make yourself friends...

Pau Tomàs [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

People is asking for more integration between Chrome and other Google services (bookmarks, toolbar, etc.). Don't you think that if they do that they'd be accused of "evilness"?

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

More on EULA issue:
arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/ ...

Renze [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Interesting thing: in IE 6 and FF3 if you go to maps.google.com/, you'll find the latest GUI rework (the blue bar above the map, with 'Get Directions' and 'My Maps' in it); if you open the same site in Chrome, you get the older version (with the orange line above the map and the orange tabs for 'Search results' and My maps')
Looks like some folks at Google forgot to update a few lines in the compatability check in google maps... ;-))
(I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this too)

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

EFF: We're concerned about Omnibox feature

Link:
news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-1 ...

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Google Chrome is coming to Android devices too:

techcrunch.com/2008/09/03/chro ...

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Pau Tomàs
Possibly, but at the moment Firefox feels more like a Google product than chrome. Notebook, Lively, GBookmarks*, Blogger and others all have extensions for Firefox but not Chrome

*Google Toolbar

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

> What really pisses me of is that Google decides
> wether you can download chrome or not and
> in which language.
> Okay, maybe I am German but I prefer my Browser
> language in english?

On the Chrome homepage before you hit the download, there's a combo box with a language selection. Admittedly it's easy to miss and Google should also automatically set it to whatever language one was on or whatever language the browser had set to default. If you do download the wrong language though you can just toggle it to your preference in Options -> Minor Tweaks -> Change font and language settings -> Languages -> Google Chrome language/ Spell-checker language.

Art-One [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Some problems I discovered meanwhile working with Google Chrome (FF is open also, because ....):
- Adobe Acrobat Reader plugin works very slow. If I use it with Chrome, CPU has to work a lot harder than with Firefox. Something wrong with the plugin handling?
- Unable to install the Java plugin. If I install the latest version, the thing is telling me that I already have the latest version...
- Problems with (serverside?) redirects: in stead of redirecting to the right page, its redirecting to the root url...

Sveste [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hi Phillipp,
thanks for your response. I knew the button, anyway, to me – and other people in the google chrome help forum – it looks like google sees what country you in and decides to "give" you the browser in the right language.
And besides, I still have the mentioned and interesting case, that I am still not able to get any response by clicking the options button.... or the bookmarks button... usw..

Tja, as there is the german saying: Man kann nicht alles haben.(you cant have everything :-)

Rory Marcussen [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Just started looking at it now, so far it looks really cool. Only a small, tiny gripe. I use the middle button on my mouse to open new pages in new tabs which Chrome has done. However if you click the Home button on the toolbar with the middle button it doesn't open the homepage in a new tab.

SysAdmin [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #


I've used Google Chrome to try out...

Not very stable as it not only crashed out my IE but my system became "flaky" and not as responsive as it should before.

It had caused my IE 7 to crash where 90% of the websites I use are work related REQUIRES IE 6 and up.

Firefox and Chrome will not work with the sites I work with most of the time.

Unless you have Virtual PC ready at hand, it is not recommended to download and install it. Right now, I am reformatting and reinstalling my my system from scratch (again) all because of Chrome messed up my system.

SaaS_Master [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I can only begin to imagine the implications for Google if they were to embed Viyya Technologies' software into their browser. It would not take long for Google to overtake the competition and stand out as the industry leader. The VIYYA product would give Chrome users access to requested information which would be unmatched by any other browser. VIYYA would also allow users seamless access to cloud computing.

scratchpost [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

unfortunately you can't google toolbar or set image as desktop background.
i'll just wait.

Trader [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Chrome can't open any webpage with Java application.

rafa [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Hi,
I've just downloaded and installed google chrome today. I like it very much. Extremley fast, much faster than mozilla. I was impressed. Two things I wasn't able to do are:
Configure it so that the "home"icon (house button) brings me to the initial page with the 9 preview windows of my last web browsing and at the same time have chrome startup with my web ralfengel.com I guess that isn't possibe.
Other than that, excellent program.

[Unlinked – Tony]

BKM [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Wait a minute. First, Windows had "tabs" on the Taskbar, but they were actually separate windows with their own process. Then Firefox put the tabs at the top of the window instead of at the bottom, and ran them all in the same process. Now Chrome executes on the decision that they're better off as separate processes. So we're back to Windows, only instead of tabs on the taskbar, they're at the top. Why not just move the taskbar to the top of the screen if you want them up there. Same thing.

PetHuman [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I didn't even read the Google chrome comic yet since I'm no comic book fan. Anyhow, I was surfing around and saw the comic book spoofs. You don't need to read the original to find them funny.

surfchrome.com/index.php/galle ...

Martin Porcheron [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]BKM
What if I have 7 applications open and 5 browser pages open. That'd be 12 tabs on one bar, the net effect being a reduction in user friendliness. Whereas in Chrome, the tabs use space that would have otherwise been wasted by a simple title bar.

Nevertheless, I agree with your logi, I've always thought the browser toolbars (tabs et al) should go at the bottom of the window as an extension to your taskbar instead of making the user move their mouse from the bottom of the screen to the top.

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I don't like the way Chrome handles having lots of tabs :(


cheesemonger32.googlepages.com ...


brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

why is it when open a large image, like say from this site:

interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/
widescreen/1440x900/

I can't right click on it to save as wallpaper?

Fisa [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

It gives this i dont know is it error or what. with a OK button

Windows ® Installer. V 4.00.6001.0

msiexec /Option <Required Parameter> [Optional Parameter]

Install Options
</package | /i> <Product.msi>
Installs or configures a product
/a <Product.msi>
Administrative install – Installs a product on the network
/j<u|m> <Product.msi> [/t <Transform List>] [/g <Language ID>]
Advertises a product – m to all users, u to current user
</uninstall | /x> <Product.msi | ProductCode>
Uninstalls the product
Display Options
/quiet
Quiet mode, no user interaction
/passive
Unattended mode – progress bar only
/q[n|b|r|f]
Sets user interface level
n – No UI
b – Basic UI
r – Reduced UI
f – Full UI (default)
/help
Help information
Restart Options
/norestart
Do not restart after the installation is complete
/promptrestart
Prompts the user for restart if necessary
/forcerestart
Always restart the computer after installation
Logging Options
/l[i|w|e|a|r|u|c|m|o|p|v|x|+|!|*] <LogFile>
i – Status messages
w – Nonfatal warnings
e – All error messages
a – Start up of actions
r – Action-specific records
u – User requests
c – Initial UI parameters
m – Out-of-memory or fatal exit information
o – Out-of-disk-space messages
p – Terminal properties
v – Verbose output
x – Extra debugging information
+ – Append to existing log file
! – Flush each line to the log
* – Log all information, except for v and x options
/log <LogFile>
Equivalent of /l* <LogFile>
Update Options
/update <Update1.msp>[;Update2.msp]
Applies update(s)
/uninstall <PatchCodeGuid>[;Update2.msp] /package <Product.msi | ProductCode>
Remove update(s) for a product
Repair Options
/f[p|e|c|m|s|o|d|a|u|v] <Product.msi | ProductCode>
Repairs a product
p – only if file is missing
o – if file is missing or an older version is installed (default)
e – if file is missing or an equal or older version is installed
d – if file is missing or a different version is installed
c – if file is missing or checksum does not match the calculated value
a – forces all files to be reinstalled
u – all required user-specific registry entries (default)
m – all required computer-specific registry entries (default)
s – all existing shortcuts (default)
v – runs from source and recaches local package
Setting Public Properties
[PROPERTY=PropertyValue]

Consult the Windows ® Installer SDK for additional documentation on the
command line syntax.

Copyright © Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Portions of this software are based in part on the work of the Independent JPEG Group.

After pressing OK
I got this error

Google Chorme Installer
Installation failed. Componenet ChromeGears faild to install, detailed message: The installer encountered error 1639: Invalid command line argument. Consult the Windows Installer SDK for detailed command line help.

(close button)

CAN ANY ONE HELP ME.... HOW to install this. I have windows Vista and Symantec Endpoint.

Margaret Trias [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Chrome absolutely needs smooth scrolling. I use a touch pad and scrolling goes much too fast and choppily. Maybe I'll get used to this, but for now it's driving me nuts.

Kin Enriquez [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

VB

That's because Google only has a valid SSL certificate for www.google.com and not for just google.com

Try going to www.google.com/adsense and it works just fine.

Actually I tried www.google.com/adsense

It's just weird for Chrome to flag Adsense, Google's bread and butter as something potentially dangerous...

Akash Gupta [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I think you guys know that we can't install Google Chrome with Symantec & IE7 on a Win XP machine and you have given us a way to solve this problem by checking out application viewer in admin tools on this link:
google.com/support/installer/b ... .

Thats fine, here you suggest to do Whitelisting of a few google domains but it would be great if you could step by step give the procedure of how we can do this whitelisting and whats the detailed process of resolving this problem.

virast [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

What do you think about it?

blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolog ...

Does it send anything you type in omnibox to google?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Here's a small test page if you want to see how Chrome handles popups:
blogoscoped.com/files/launch-p ...

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Google Help -> Google Chrome Help Center -> Known Issues page can be found at

google.com/support/chrome/bin/ ...

Juha-Matti Laurio [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]virast:

Yes, it does, see
blogoscoped.com/forum/139142-f ...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Here's Sergey Brin talking a bit about Chrome:

+ Show video



On related note, older interviews or appearances by Sergey:

+ Show video


+ Show video


news.ntv.ru/132514/ [in Russian]

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Tony sent me this... Duncan Riley (I think it's him) sells a copy of the Google Chrome comic on eBay:
cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.d ...

Sajith [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I try to install several time in my vista, but it's coming following error to me "The Application failed to initialize properly (0x0000005). Click Ok yo terminate the application"

with Win Xp working properly. i hope it will come to worlds best web browser . cheers

person [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

in response to the review thing, it does have a full screen just click on the square in the top right... and did you not have problems with me it doesn't want to change text boxes on some sites and its really getting annoying, but im not having this problem here, maybe i just need to close the tab or something

Animatrick [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

See what the German say!
The Federal Office for Security in Information Technology (BSI) has consumers against the use of the new Google Internet browser "Chrome" warned.
n-tv.de

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Abercrombie [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I conducted a study with some forensics software to try recovering data from the Incognito Window. We couldn't find any trace of the data. Very interesting. I have a full writeup of the experiment at:
surfchrome.com/index.php/home/ ...

Mark Davey [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I installed chrome yesterday, love the application shortcut feature.

But then using google.docs and it would not print and gave me the message that adobe acrobat plugin was unresponsive.

so it's back to IE...........................

Edward W. Stanley [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Maybe what we need are browsers geared toward differing experiences...

i won't post my blog in fear of it being removed 'again'...

but google.. Edward W. Stanley and stillunwound for further musings on my mind... .. to continue...

or templates which supercede CSS... where vendors of monitors create colour profiles ... maybe a button for setting browser viewing perameters..

i know one thing that really grinds my gears.. is i'm on a high def tv... but need eyes of a hawk to read any website...

possibly browser makers could ease resolution changes for those who dont sit 5 inches away from the screen...

zoom is nice but its not really the right solution...

or at least let the drop down menu items be more like word used to be where you could put the ones you want where you like... or for that matter button bars where you like with the formatting that suits the user.. then i know it seems crazy but make it so you can bring them along with you or hot key various settings or better organize it...

i hate still feeling like i'm in an outer limits episode... where 'they' control the hortizontal.. they control the vertical.. for those old enough to remember the cutting edge show... it was old for me and i'm in my thirties now...

the day that google says were building shelter for cities but with control of the internet and the ED 209 guarding the place... Philip will truly be bang on... but i do give thme kudos for giving the appearence of options..

  

Murali [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Till I get 'Roboform' support, I will use Chrome sparingly... FF3 is currently the best one (for me) yet!

brinke guthrie [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

pack.google.com/intl/en/pack_i ...

No sign of Chrome (yet) in the long-neglected Google Pack.

deko [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

First impressions – I love it! But the History page should be a tree view with URLs as root nodes. The way History is displayed now is horrible. Users should also be able to choose a skin, or at least a color scheme. And what about plugins? Firefox has some kick-but plugins – like the web developer plugin. Will Chrome support plugins?

Falstaff [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I really like Chrome. A suggestion I have...

Add a refresh/reload option to the right-click menu. When I am reading blogs with lots of commenting, that is how I prefer to reload a page.

Vote The Day [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

[moved, unlinked]

It's bugged, and it's bugged a lot. It's almost official – votetheday.com/polls/googles-chrome-173/
I'm disappointed in Google – yeah, it's beta, but remember, how Gmail beta looked like... Looks like guys had to deliver it till deadline (10th birthday, maybe), and they were obviously short of time...
It's better than IE, but FF will live excellently long until Google fixes everything and makes enough plug-inns and versions for Mac/Linux...

Michael Williams [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

If you like Google Chrome's look and functionality then you should take a look at www.BonzoBox.com. It has the same look with much more functionality. I started using it about 6 months ago and absolutely love it.

MichaelaDa [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I want to install java, but it doesn´t work. I`ve downloaded Java 6.10 as written there in Chrome Help. Any one knows how I can install java. Please tell me:)

Mike [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Unfortunatly Chrome's Incognito mode isn't really private. It keeps so-called "flash cookies" even after leaving the Incognito mode. So every website can still keep track on you using this technique. And other users of your computer can see which websites you have visited too.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Here's a bookmarklet that redesigns the "New Tab" default homepage a bit:
ernestdelgado.com/archive/chro ...

[Thanks Ernest!]

Alex Ksikes [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

I am surprised Philipp you haven't noticed the way the tabs add up to the original tab instead of to the end of all tabs. That's a significant feature that will be widely copied and which I think is unseen in any firefox extension.

Alex Ksikes [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

and thank you Google for finally providing the killer feature of "searching what I have read". Not sure you covered that but finally we can not only search the title of the web pages in the history but also their content. That's a very powerful feature that strangely no one seemed to have gotten. Again it will copied.

Mrrix32 [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

[put at-character here]Alex
There is already a FF extension to do this. I personally don't like this and prefer to have new tabs a the end (and occasionally reorganise them my self)

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef ...

Emil Razola Vennetti [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

"I don't care, I don't like the internet anyway"

John Williams [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Mark Davey said

"But then using google.docs and it would not print and gave me the message that adobe acrobat plugin was unresponsive.

The only problems I've encountered in a week of use were two large PDF downloads which stalled and took down Chrome not just the window in which they were running. Have since visited both pages and downloaded without trouble,

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

5 years ago #

Due to an error I made (thanks Tony for spotting it!) one of the above comments was showing under my name for the last 6 days*. It's fixed now...

* It was this one: [Up] blogoscoped.com/forum/139142.h ...

katy.taskwriter@gmail.com [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

We've discovered that Google Chrome is faster about 9 times then IE 6 for taskwriter.com. We've actually measured it. The results are really surprisingly! Just click on
www.taskwriter.com/blog/how-good-chrome-really-is/

[Unlinked – Tony]

webtrafficroi [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Chrome is still too primitive for me. It’s okay to give it a free spin and be wowed with some of underlings like multiprocessor and task manager, but the almost complete lack of customization at this point will relegate Chrome to the back burner on my PC.

[Signature removed – Tony]

Swen Z. [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

I like the whole idea behind the new browser! I work a lot with video/film editing and uploading online and one issue that has come up a few times is when I go to upload a video file or an image file for a video on any site (this has happened to me on 4 different video hosting sites) with only a few tabs open, the whole browser crashes on me and I loose all the work I've just put into uploading my videos. If there is anyone out there who has experienced the same and has found a solution I would love to know how to fix this. Weather it's in the settings or if I need to change anything in the open source code of the browser I am willing to do anything as this wasts a lot of time in my work schedule.

Dan [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

As with all browsers Google Chrome seems to have it's ups and downs. Thankfully, they have produced yet another fantastic product based around a great concept. The browser has a unique simplicity that means they have expanded the viewing pane to a fantastic level, without being any less user friendly. In fact for what the browser can do it is very user friendly, and I haven't found myself stuck once trying to figure out how to do any of it's tricks.
I have found it very easy to make the websites I code compatible with Google Chrome, right down the last pixel.
It seems to be very fast and overall a fabulous product but there are a couple of things that bug me a bit. I have a bit of an issue that I can't seem to find a code to disable the dragging option for these text areas. I have a website I have just created with a form in a popup window with a form. The text box within the form can be dragged out of the window which isn't resizeable and then I've messed the whole page up and can't submit the form.[jamiewestband.com] I don't want to have to make the window with scroll bars because then IE will always have the scroll bars and will impact users browsing using IE.
Google always make a product exactly as it says on the tin. The browser is fantastic for what it is, and that's exactly what I want. An experience with a few small thrills, but mainly a simple, extremely well coded, well protected, well thought out, user-friendly environment. I don't ever want a million plug-ins on my browser to make my tabs different colours and slow my whole pc down so I can see a clock in the top right of my screen, but then add another thing that claims to make my browser faster to compensate. I want something that is quick and easy to use and get what I need done, I can rely on and as a coder is a pleasure to work with.

Migit [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I like google crome a lot but i believe that they should speed up to performance of the applets in it when ever i try to play a online game or run an applet it is really slow but other than that it is great

Migit [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

O i think that they should add an ad blocking add on or something so all those annoying side adds dont show up

L Peter [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Good looking and fast browser especially for a beta-version. Some more customisability, more complete bookmark handling (IE & FF import is not perfect), full keyboard support (even faster browsing) would be nice.

Sean [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #

Works great in out new Digital Signage web players ...

[signature removed bg]

Paulus [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

For anyone who wishes to fix the issue quickly, I have released a
patcher. You can download it here:

users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pjt2v07/chrome/

Just run chrome_patch.exe. It will patch chrome.dll to fix the issue.

More info follows...

The issue is caused by Google Chrome setting incorrect information
about it’s scroll bars. Scroll bars’ positions appear to be at the top
(or left if the scroll bar is horizontal). Some mouse software (i.e.
the programs that run in the background/in your tray) use this
information and do not send scroll up messages to Chrome (since the
scroll bars already appear to be at the top). Mouse software which
does not use this information or mouses that do not need software to
help them scroll will therefore not be affected.

It is possible to patch the mouse software, but it makes more sense to
patch/fix Chrome.

I have created a patch that fixes the issue until an official fix is
released.
You can download/read more about it at users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pjt2v07/chrome/

[Unlinked – Tony]

Paulus [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

Some people have had an issue with not being able to scroll up using certain touch pads....see above

Gray [PersonRank 1]

5 years ago #

I am totally willing to withstand any of its defects because of Chrome's speed. It is very easily overtaken Firefox as my favorite browser. And I came across this yesterday on Stumble Upon, which I thought was funny.
googlechromefans.com/the-best- ...

rob page [PersonRank 0]

5 years ago #


   I've pulled down and installed Chrome. When I click on the Google Chrome icon nothing happens. The browser doesn't come up. I've re-enstalled it several times. Any ideas?
   Thanks.

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