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Jade [PersonRank 0]

Thursday, March 20, 2008
11 years ago9,182 views

It's no surprising news here that China is still far from having freedom of the speech or of the press, but who are we kidding? Proxy is not and can't be all blocked, and people who do care to find out what other sources are saying can and will find out, with a few extra steps over the GFW. It is certainly a shame that Google.cn has to bend to Chinese authority's will, but thank goodness we still have google.com and everything else a proxy away.

By the way the coverage of the Tibet rest hasn't been fair and right in the western media either--it has its own agendas and not always very grand at that, but that's an entire other debate...

Steve Hunt [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Interesting article, and i'm sorry to nitpick, but I think you meant to type news.google.com and news.google.cn, not google.news.com and google.news.cn, in a few places in the post :)

getitfromboy [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

well the West just wants to make money from China rather than upheld human rights and freedom..that is just soo sad..and Tibet is not the only case either, we have forgotten about Burma and the bloody crackdown and how China would have prevented it with their big influence on the Burmese junta..

Just like with any other struggle for freedom that is just and true, Someday, Tibet will be Free...

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Thanks Steve, it's corrected!

Jade, agreed, many many western media have their own agenda and are far from fair and balanced.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Tibet and the people at Tibet already free after 1959, Dalai, biggest Slaveholders, escaped this year.

Before 1959, Tibet had two classes, one were Slaveholders and another were Slaves.

USA supported the Slaveholders. Selected wrong side again. USA not the hero who belong to the people this time. Who want the Slaveholders back again? Now the free people, before the slaves? No, only the Slaveholders wants.

But the Slaveholders already out in China!

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Xiaowan, what do you think of the censorship?
Not of the Tibet issue, but the issue of people in China not allowed to freely research the Tibet issue.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/35/1 ...



Can Searh 西藏, maybe this is not so important.

Below is the link to search 西藏 at google.cn

zuosa.com/bf7.u

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Yes, as I mentioned in the post you can search for it but it is missing on the frontpage.
Do you agree with the news.google.cn selection that the current Tibet issue is not important enough for Chinese users to hear information about on the frontpage? Remember, it's based on censorship as some sources are missing, not based on free aggregation & weighting of content.
(Please anyone feel free to answer anonymously if you feel doing otherwise puts you at risk.)

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Yes, not big. Tibet is a province of China, where is the Tibet issue? Just some Terrorists want to break the peace.They are longly, they can not get support from the people who living at Tibet Province.

Maybe Google think it is important and itself is important for China, so remove it...

In fact, Google.cn is not the main in China, China use Baidu to search, Sina/sohu/163 to get news. QQ to enjoy. Yahoo/Alibaba to business.

I do support Google, but did not like Google.cn. Google.cn should be the 1st in China.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

> I do support Google, but did not like Google.cn.

What do you think Google.cn should do differently?

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

>What do you think Google.cn should do differently?

1.For team, Google.cn seams to be autocracy, unity; but Google complementarity. I do like the sprite that in friendfeed for team and organization;

2.For soft, Google.cn IME made my pc down. but Google almost like Microsoft presents;

3.For new web application, Google.cn just new-s, but Google can give me a true application;

Yahoo most successful in China, Yahoo/Alibaba is the biggest B2B site in China, its Taobao win Ebay in China, its Alipay is the China biggest online bank...

Why it is Yahoo, not Google.cn select Alibaba?

/pd [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

"Tibet is a province of China, where is the Tibet issue?

How is that ?? Tibet was given autonomy by the Brits in 1904, with certain portions of the country being under the control of India too. Is this not the same issue of Kosova , Palestine areas too ?? Where a certain land region had its own governance and autonomy, but later on was "occupied" and /or disputed ??

FWIW, The Dalai Lama himself has long since abandoned calls for independence and now seeks genuine autonomy and respect for Tibetan's human rights – thats all!!

Ludwik Trammer [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

The story on digg: digg.com/world_news/Tibet_Miss ...

/pd [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Breaking Now
"Tibet riots trigger 'revealed'. The BBC has obtained the first pictures of the demonstration believed to have sparked violent clashes in Tibet.3.20/08"

liveleak.com/view?i=658_120603 ...

Adrian near Seattle [PersonRank 1]

11 years ago #

"Tibet is a province of China, where is the Tibet issue?" Hong, I think many would disagree.

"Just some terrorists" Hmm, freedom-fighters or terrorists? I wonder what you would do if you were a young Tibetan man in their shoes....

If the people of Tibet were allowed to vote, do you think that 90% of them would vote to leave China? Yes, I think so.

Tibetans have never thought of themselves as Chinese. Is that true, or not? Let them go.

And Google, remember: "Do No Evil".

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]/pd

China can give Welsh autonomy also. Only jokes, meaningless. India controled Tibet? Part truth, when China weak, India inroaded China and still occupy some China Domains. It is the deep shame for China. We do remember. Japan alreay returned back, when India will?

China is so weak.

[put at-character here]Adrian near Seattle

At 1959, 99% people there already voted to expel their Slaveholders(now the terrorists but you named then freedom fighters). If Dalai really remebered human rights at heart not at mouth, he did not need to escape.

When you come to China, you will find China already become a free country. Now China already begin to use the system of separation of powers at LAW.

Bullshit [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Hong Xiaowan
China is not free in any sense of the word. Its a military dictatorship period. The US is more communist.

Dalai is outside of China now, the Chinese however are killing people there.

China was weak, however it is not very weak anymore.

Terrorists is as accurate as rebels/freedom fighters, I'd guess those in Afganistan and Iraq feel the same..

Baidu only works because it offers free Mp3s and the gov blocks Google at times. Baidu will likely end up losing to minor rivals unless they clean up their index: IE you can't pay for top rankings.

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Some of those in China have taken the propaganda your bombarded with daily to heart...

With at least half of the local paper's written by a single source (Xinhua) people generally don't get a non-biased opinion around here. Most of those in China don't know there is anything going on in Tibet at the moment, which is abominable.

I have a paper sitting on my desk from a few days ago (which I was too busy to read till a few minutes ago). It basically says that nothing happened in Tibet, nobody was killed, the Dalai Lama instigated the riots etc. Reading CNN today in official releases from the Chinese gov you can read that "only 13 people were killed"...

China is still stuck in it's past which like much of Asia has long standing bias against neighboring countries, provinces, and even cities. Beijingese and Shanghainese for example often have an enmity for each other. This gets worse when asking those within either of those cities about those in: Hong Kong, Tibet, or Xinzhuang...

When the Tibet story first broke on big news networks (non Chinese ones) do you know what happened? HUGE problems in the entire network across China. They blocked traffic for hours on end to EVERY website.. Some could connect at times, however the majority was shut down. Anytime we attempted to access sites on CNN etc. we would be blocked. Most movies, and now Youtube is blocked. While this has happened before, I though it a bit funny the incidents coincided..

Of course whats happening in Tibet is secondary to the thousands killed during snows, during mine accidents, housing problems, starvation, disease, work related accidents (working on the 50th floor without a harness at midnight!?) etc. throughout the year.

Perhaps this issue points to the larger problem of Chinese censorship and propaganda. While the former seems to have been getting better these last few years I've lived here the latter has gotten worse (especially this last year leading up to the Olympics).

While China has large problems I think that they will improve sometime within the next 75 years or so. Some things which will improve:

1. Manners – Spitting, cussing, yelling on the phone, honking horns
2. Driving..
3. Smoking (the shanghai gov is testing a ban on smoking in... wait for it ... hospitals)
4. Education (the most important in my book)
5. Corruption (# 2)
6. Police actually arrest those breaking the law (dvd vendors, hookers etc.)

Many of these problems were addressed and solved within current major powers: US, UK, France, Italy, Japan etc.

Jay [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Bullshit
I don't know where you are, but you are definitely not in China or even have been to China. What you said is what you read or hear of, not what you see.

Your opinion about China might be correct several decades ago, but you are absolutely outdate. I guess the western countries are changing slightly because they are developed countries, but China, I have to say is changing so rapidly these years, in not only the hardwares but also in softwares which include minds, manners and behaviors.

I admit that in decades ago, you could be arrested only if you say something bad about the gov. But for now, the act is allowed anywhere even on the internet. The base line is that you are not with a conspiracy, to slander or incite people to do damage. Actually, Bullshit, your bad words about China is visiable to me, a resident of China, not blocked by the GFW.

The guy, Dalai, what he is doing, is just about power and domination. He really cares about the life of the people in Xizang(not XinZhuang as you said)? I doubt. And the life there is not bad if you have been there and have a look, high Himalaja, bueatiful Potala, and international tourists. Wonderful and peaceful life if not the threat from terrorists which are really terrorists who kill children and women and destroy houses and cars. I don't think a freedom fighters will kill armless children and women. Rebels? What are they rebel for? Rebel for the damage of environment in Xizang? Ridiculous.

Bullshit, of course you can spray your bullshit here. It's your human rights as the so call human right problem in China. But at least, in China, there would not be even one case that someone carry a gun and kill people freely, not to say dozens of such cases in US.

Maybe it's not your fault if you are just a kid, just hear of some old story and naively believe in it. But when you grow up, please come to China and have a look around, to find the differences between Shanghai and New York or between Beijing and London. Reality will tell you the trueth, not the history text book or some kind of brainwashing forums.

Oh, yeah, as to the Internet issue, as we know, GFW, I don't like it either, 'cause I need to pay more money for the dedicated ip of my hositng.

Ludwik Trammer [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Jay, please. Just read throw the reports, I don't have energy to repeat it one more time:

www.amnesty.org/en/library/search?filter0=china&op=Search&
filter1[appeal_for_action]=appeal_for_action&filter1[audio_clip]=
audio_clip&filter1[campaign_sub_issue]=campaign_sub_issue
&filter1[page]=page&filter1[press_release]=press_release&filte
r1[region]=region&filter1[report_abstract]=report_abstract&filter
1[story]=story&filter1[video_clip]=video_clip&filter1[reports]=reports

amnesty.org/en/region/asia-and ...

I will definitely boycott this olympics. I won't watch it, I won't follow it, I won't buy from companies that will sponsor it.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

We supported this olympics, we will watch, we will follow it, we will buy the brand who will sponsor it for the 1st selection.

In fact, all related companies already went hottter in China now. They are shown at News, equal advertisement free.

China a kind country who like to make friends. Who support us, we do support him.

[put at-character here]Ludwik Trammer, we are real, and we are living in the China now. Please come to China, you will find a new world, this world is real, not in some reports. Why believe these reports? You can have your own report.

China is not so bad as western news said, and not so good as China Gov voice. They both like to make fake stories, I know how to read truth behind news, you not.

I will show some fake stories, all jokes......

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

China police?


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/35/6 ...


No, it is Nepal!


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/35/7 ...


China again?


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/35/8 ...


And Nepal again...


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/0 ...


Nepal again...


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/1 ...


Do these police looks like Chinese?


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/2 ...


Garman RTL, Lhasa news with Nepal again! @Philipp, don't be sad.


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/3 ...


Germany Bild


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/4 ...


Nepal again...


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/5 ...


No Nepal please.


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/6 ...

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

?


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/7 ...


CNN TECH


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/8 ...


YouTube belong to a "No evil" Great Google.


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/9 ...



zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/0 ...


BBC TECH


zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/1 ...



zuosa.com/photo/mms/00/00/36/2 ...



[put at-character here]Ludwik Trammer How can you believe the reports. Please do remember, per news, per information is try to cover something and show some part to fit their target. Please do remember read truth behind the news.

Use my eyes, think by myself, believe god can lead me, find the truth.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Ludwik Trammer, think if boycott this olympics, who can get more profits, who are hurt, maybe more complex. In fact, is not everyone can control fully.

The fake news that western news made, can hurt China? Maybe yes, maybe no, if the people believe the fakes, who can say this olympics lost only because these fake news.

Ludwik Trammer [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Hong – in fact I've been to China, but thanks for your invitation. Have you read the Amnesty documents I linked to? All the sources all clear. I worked for Amnesty and I trust them.

The whole point is in the countries with free societies (and my country is one only for 17 years, it was an authoritarian communistic regime called People's Republic of Poland before) we get our information from many different independent sources including mass media, small independent media, non-government organizations (NGOs, I consider them to be the best source of information, because there are very detailed, deeply analyzed, non-sensationalistic, full of references, and very independent), people demonstrating or sharing their independent ideas on the street, and of course the Internet.

If you compare this information with the information that comes from media controlled from within Beijing you have to remember not only that the later are censored or auto-censored. You also have to ask yourself why is China spending billions of dollars to block information from it citizens? Why do Chinese government try to control all the information sources and therefore be able to lie?

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Xiaowan, not in regards to these pictures, but in general: yes, much of Western media is really bad. There are several books here on one source you point to alone, BILD, which reported anything in the past from vampires to aliens, and also drove people to suicide due to false headlines in the past. BILD is watched by a German BILD Blog full time for corrections. CNN (International) also has a very US-based view point and is not "neutral." And RTL, which you also point to – I'm not discussing the content of the pictures, but just the media channels you included – is a so-called "private channel" here, and these have no strict journalistic standards; it's the hyped yellow press of TV (RTL is a TV station, not a web news source, even if it may have a web news site).

Does that make Chinese censorship better? Unfortunately, no. In many ways, it even removes the basis for a discussion of any of the issues above. In Germany, at least we do have the legal basis for full-time BILD Watchblog, because no one has to fear to go into jail for this*. I would hope there will be a day when the same amount of free speech is allowed in China. It just makes sense from a knowledge worker point of view too for China to progress, I think – censorship is a bug in the connection, if you want. All around the world it makes sense if we attack this "bug" together when we see it.

*(Disclaimer: Yes, Germany also censors; for instance, most releases of BILD coverage from a German undercover journalist who entered the company are partly censored after a BILD court case. There is no such thing as "full free speech" in Germany either.)

> Use my eyes, think by myself

Yes, absolutely agreed. As they say, it's not *what* you read that matters, it's *how* you read it.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Ludwik Trammer. Thank you for your replies. Poland before was a real Socialism country. But China not, China's Socialism before was Feudalism indeed, China was weak and poor. Socialism only on the paper before. Poland gave China much help before, arts, tech, money...ect. Poland kindly and friendly.

For the Amnesty, I think your dream is really good. But, please note, if you wear black glasses to see China, China will become black at your imformations.

A lie thousand times will make people think it is a truth. Per country did not have full free speech. What is truth, the profit inside is the truth. For the examples I submit above, USA, Europe also have their own cencorship.

I think China did not need to lie, just tired of these information work. People need food, money, work, house, many many things.

/pd [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

==> "I think China did not need to lie, just tired of these information work."

I think every country in the World lies about its domestic policies and action's therein. Take for e.g The Abu Ghrahib prision issue. Pictures of them were censored on Google Images o taken down.

I think the main contradictions of the policies between China and rest of world is that, if I were in China (a Chinese national) and if I blogged about Tibet and supported their cause for freedom, then I would a 'jailed' for opening speaking against the party (government) policies, correct ?? So this is not open speech.

Whereas in the rest of world, I would not be "jailed" for such speech they may make my life miserable in terms of putting my name on a blacklist or harassing me in some other form. I would still be able to say whats on my mind openly, with a minimal penalty being sancationed. Whereas, IMHO , doing this in China is not possible. I would need to live in fear of open speech, or rather train myself not to speak stuff that could place me/family/friends in compromised position.

==> People need food, money, work, house, many many things."

Huh ? Agreed, every person needs these things. But to tell me, that I am not going to get food, $$, money, house b'cos I hate Prez Bush openly ?

Will that be possible in US – NO.
IS that possible in China ? Yes

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

> Take for e.g The Abu Ghrahib prision issue. Pictures of them were censored on Google Images o taken down.

Not true as far as we know – that story once appeared on Slashdot but was then debunked.

yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?c ...
mattcutts.com/blog/debunking-a ...

Google did and still does censor images in China and Germany though, for instance.

Confuscious [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Hong Xiaowan
>Yes, not big. Tibet is a province of China, where is the Tibet issue?
> Just some Terrorists want to break the peace.

Tibetans == Terrorists??..in there own land Tibet?? What i see is China is the one terrorizing the Tibetans for a long time!

I wonder if you also think the protesters before in Tiannmen Square as Terrorists.

>They are longly, they can not get support from the
> people who living at Tibet Province.

Oh well, the protesting people are the Tibetans in Tibet Province, are you talking about asking support from the Han Chinese migrants? It is one of the reasons they protest! China put many Han Chinese in Tibet to kill the culture of Tibetans, and brainwashing the innocent Tibetan children, so that China can claim that Tibet is part because there is only Chinese culture existing!

> I think China did not need to lie, just tired of these
> information work.

...because the chinese people might know the truth?

>People need food, money, work, house, many many things.

People also need freedom/independence. dont you?

China indeed was a sleeping dragon. The time it awoke it was surprised that the world outside its cave have changed greatly.

Google " do no evil", just give support to the evil's works.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]/pd
>if I were in China (a Chinese national) and if I blogged about Tibet and supported their cause for freedom...

[put at-character here]Philipp Lenssen
>Does that make Chinese censorship better? Unfortunately, no.

It will break the China Law. I think China need a PR department to make its law system explained in other languages clearly.

[put at-character here]/pd
>Huh ? Agreed, every person needs these things. But to tell me, that I am not going to get food, $$, money, house b'cos I hate Prez Bush openly ?

We need to work hard to get these. Only small part of people can have time to discuss these. These people do not need to care about money.

By the way, I am a Bush fans. He is great.

[put at-character here]Confuscious
1.Tibet province is a part of China;
2.Tibet province had two classes before 1959. One was Slaveholders, not more than 1%, another was Slaves;
3.Slaveholders was and is Terrorists when they killed the armless children and women.
4.Now, Han Chinese only 2.05% in all Chinese at Tibet Province. Most of them businessman. It was and is the Tibetan Chinese against the Slaveholders.
5.Tibetan Culture is a part of China Culture, China lost many Cultures, China become a clone for western country. English here is 2nd national language, although it is Cenglish infact. Tibetan culture is the Precious for China Culture, we must protect them.
6.Han Chinese language belong to Tibet-Sino Languages, we can learn Tibetan easily. Tibet-Sino Languages have many speaking systems(Called Dialect, for instance official Chinese speaking system is a kind of dialect called mandarine Chinese, Mandarine Chinese also had its own writing system). So Tibetan Writing system is so important for Tibet-Sino Languages.*
6.China dragon was a old story. USA is the dragon now. China do not want to be dragon again anymore.

*
Tibet-Sino Languages have thousands writing system before Qin Dynasty, Qin Dynasty unified the writing system to be the prototype of Han Chinese writing system.

When Qing Dynasty, it gave up its owned writing system and use Han, but made its speaking system to be official. Also Han Chinese losted the function for making new letters. Han speaking system losted the initials complex consonants(still keeped at Tibetan Chinese).

This writing system still had two parts. One copied from speaking system. Another called "Classical" using the letters which have rich meanings(please see your software, "save" order in the menu, also have a ICON, Chinese use this ICON for letter. If you tried photoshop actions, you can try a complex action. Chinese can give this Complex action a ICON too, Chinese letter is ICON).

When the republic of China, GOV give up the "Classical" system, and imported many words from Japan(Japanese using Han Chinese and did not lost the function for making new letters, and Japanese imported many new words from west, Japanese still keep "Classical"), Western countries.

When the people's republic of China, GOV at motherland selected and made simple letters for official Han Chinese writing system that called simple chinese(Still difficult for western people, GOV once considered to use western letter to build a new language system like Vietnamese or directly use English, different voice still here). 651 Simple Chinese letter enough for the working and lives. Simple Chinese use simple consionats, only have four tones.

My english only use simple words, is it called Simple English? haha.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

> >Does that make Chinese censorship better? Unfortunately, no.
>
> It will break the China Law.

CNN broke the Chinese laws so they cut off their transmission in China? What law was that?

And again, this discussion is about the censorship on Google and in other technologies/ media, not the Tibet issue itself. Or put differently, even if you disagree with more freedom for Tibet, have you heard this phrase by Evelyn Beatrice Hall? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]Philipp Lensson.

What is the freedom? I think, we can do all the things that the law did not forbid. What is more freedom? We should waiting untile the law changed. Presence the law, per equality. Both east and west, should be the same.

CNN still on. I read it everyday.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor, it must be demanded by the oppressed." – Martin Luther King

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Communication. Cooperation. Consideration. Recommendation......Better than the Martin's philosophy.

China can learn, can hear, and can change.

China become more and more free and senseful, this year at 03-09, China already add the system of separation of powers to its administration innovation, why to risk the other uncontrollable selection so hurry?

Compared with 1989, China already have some changes, these changes summed from the smalls.

Like software, find bug, fix, upgrade, upgrade. China is a huge weak country, shake it up will bring a big disaster. We should keep it running and change a little, a little.

Google also have bugs or some UI that some users did not like, the users pointed them, and submit to Google, then Google will fix them.

But Google should have manys can not finish as we wanted. Kill Mutts? Kill Larry? Fire Google plex? No, we are Christian, we have the consideration, we can understand. Google already do the best, try to please everyone.

Also, China already try the best, please give him more time.

xujie [PersonRank 5]

11 years ago #

Hong, I totally agree with you.

Gorakh [PersonRank 0]

11 years ago #

Is Google evil after all?

Google says that they try to give access to information to as many people as possible. So Google asked themselves the question "how can we provide the greatest access to information to the greatest number of people?" and they decided to apply censhorship. The answer why they did it is obvious, but I will come to it later. I am wondering whether Google are the baddies? Google is not better than any government agency which lies to people by hiding the information. What would you think about the TV station which only shows to people the information approved by government? Noone would trust such TV station. Do you really think Google is any better?

I don't know if the Google employees and Google creators still believe they don't do evil? Maybe closed in their Google plex and surrounded in their office by so many pleasures they don't care.

I am wondering why the Google got corrupted? The answer obviouly is money. China is a huge market with other than trillion of dollars in reserves. Compare it to dozens of billions of USA debt and you have the picture. If Google won't comply to China politic they will loose hell a lot of money.

So what do you think will happen if one day there will be no more freedom of speech in USA? What do you think Google would do? Would they go for a freedom of speech or for money? I am sorry to say that but I'm afraid google will do exactly the same thing they are doing now which is going for money.

Google does evil.

Philipp Lenssen [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

The Guardian reports:

<<A Chinese dissident who dared to claim that human rights were more important than the Olympic games was sentenced to five years in prison yesterday after being found guilty of subversion.

Yang Chunlin, an unemployed former factory worker from Jiamusi, Heilongjiang province, was accused of accepting money from hostile foreign organisations, writing critical articles, and organising a petition on behalf of farmers who lost their land to developers. The petition, which was circulated last year, declared: "We don't want the Olympics, we want human rights." According to Yang's family, it was signed by 7,000 to 8,000 people.>>
guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/ ...

(Also note the last sentence in the article.)

/pd [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I am hearing that the EU /France in general is bycotting the opening ceromony ..maybe EU's will force something on this round!

/pd [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

regardless of censorship, the truth will be laid bare..

wikileaks.cx/wiki/Wikileaks_re ...

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I translated some voice from the common chinese people:
......

"Do not export to France, Do not buy or source the brand below, they are mainly related with France."
......

"And some Chinese talking about stop learning french and leave french zone and go to other language zone. Cause they worry about the hard future, do business with franch so hard. China factory have enough orders, they will not source the brand on the black list, if they do so, some workers will stop work too, "
......

"CNN and RTL...they are not GOV, they like fight GOVs as a hero or lying, just on papers, their advice will remind our slow GOV, they are useful for our country. But France different, their Official GOV anti China, real actions, real hurt"
......

"Stop exchange the paper money with real good, who sell to us, we sell to who"
......

"No Francs(The euro now in fact), stop export to France, Stop export to french Zone. Stop the business related with France directly."
......

"Western will share China again, this time France first"
......

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I do not understand this boycott. Nobody in France or elsewhere is against China, just against tortures in Tibet and non-freedom of reporters in China. UK prime minister will not assist to the opening ceremony, no Chinese claim "boycott UK!".
Four images :


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buddhism.kalachakranet.org/ima ...



--
Look the guy with Tibetan flag on his head:


xiii.net/blog/images/faux-tibe ...


20 minutes before, with group of Chinese supporters:


xiii.net/blog/images/faux-tibe ...


The same guy...
[ jp.epochtimes.com/jp/2008/04/h ...]

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

More voices......

"No Negotiations with Dalai any more......Dalai can do anything he like......we can ignore anything he did"

"No Nicolas Sarkozy, no France, no Dalai......Maybe we should forget Beijing Olympic or boycotte Beijing Olympic ourselves......none Chinese can accept Olympic as a Transactions"

"France is a Law Firm, Nocolas Sarkozy still a lawyer, this time, his customer is Dalai, take it easy, we can wait the next president to back a friendly France."

"No more transactions with Sarkozy, France is a Law Firm now......"

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

France is a Law Firm, of course, because we are supposed to be Human rights' advocates.

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

Thank you.

Separation of powers is separation of the executive, legislative and judicial powers, Law Firm is a part of jurisdiction system.Only the whole separation of powers, is the symbol of democracy. If France is a Law Firm, this country will become autocratic.

According to the "Peter Principle", I think Sarkozy did not adjust to a right position, he is a president now, should consider as a president. Not as a Lawyer. He is not a boss of Dalai, he is the CEO of french people.

The truth is the profit behind the news. I think he just want to divert attention from his bad work to this farce.

Anyway, I am at a wrong position, I am not a Politician, I should coding now.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

You're right about separation of powers and the fact that politicians love diverting attention. How many (famous) French politicians have already seen judges and have been sued, condamned? So many... That proof there is still a kind of democracy here.
But you are wrong about the president, even if I don't like him very much too. If it was another man, or woman, (s)he would have exactly the same behavior. Because you don't need to be judge or advocate to defend human right, you just need to be a citizen.
Sure, France is not the Heaven of human rights, sometime policemen kill some people here too :-D But we are aware about it. And French people just can't believe Chinese people are not really aware of what is happening in China & Tibet. French regrets that too many people in China believe & trust everything said by your government. In France, we often doubt about everything said by politicians, we don't trust them easily.
I've heard nobody wanted to boycott Chinese people or Olympic games, but many wants our President don't assist opening ceremony, just because many (important) empty places in the Stadium will be hard to hide for CCTV ;-)
Anyway, I'm not a politician, and I don't care about Olympic Games because my favorite sport is coding and reading RSS feeds. There is not yet Olympic games for that, unfortunately.
Have a nice day! (err night now)

Hong Xiaowan [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

[put at-character here]TOMHTML

Police also arrested some angry people that anti-carrefour cause these people designed the unlawful assembly. China gov did not like troubles. Nothing, is good thing.

Compared with before, China GOV nearly said no words this time, all the voices from the people. Infact, we nearly disregard the GOV voice.

Sarkozy should know he is a star in China, famous like big famous movie star. Many chinese know him and like him, for me, he is a kindly humor romantic. Common Chinese hardly rememer CNN, UK prime minister ect, but can remember Srkozy easily. Why Sarkozy broke his word, and bids Chinese to be false to him. He said will assist before.

For me, I want to see Sarkozy to assist with his family.

Anyway, you have a Good idea, Coding Olympic. I think Google will be the first country who held this. Good day. I sleep from 16:00 to 24:00 Beijing Time. So you can see me day and night. haha.

TOMHTML [PersonRank 10]

11 years ago #

I think my President is more a star than a politician; but that's an other problem :-/
I've just watched videos from China, and you are right, policemen try to defend the French Carrefour stores.

"China gov did not like troubles."
Obviously, they don't like troubles from outside as troubles from inside ;)

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